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Re:Boeing chief must have engineering background, Emirates b... by robertlagrant on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @06:52AM (#39837505)
Blaming process for everything is a symptom of this mindset. Not everything is a process issue. Process is the only thing you can blame with this mindset, but it will only fix process issues.
Re:Boeing chief must have engineering background, Emirates b... by naavis on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @07:46AM (#39837813)
Everything can be a process. If some individual is truly fully responsible for a screwup, what process allowed the person to get that far?
Re:Boeing chief must have engineering background, Emirates b... by ejb999 on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @08:17AM (#39838053)
I disagree - if 'everything can be a process' we wouldn't need human judgement anywhere - and clearly we clearly still do need humans in the loop - and the reality is the judgement of humans is not all created equal. Some are better than others.
Re:Boeing chief must have engineering background, Emirates b... by qznc on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @02:24PM (#39842789)
A process may include human judgement. I don't get your disagreement.
Re:Boeing chief must have engineering background, Emirates b... by robertlagrant on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @08:00AM (#39837922)
If I as a professional footballer repeatedly foul people, which process is at fault when no one else around me does that?

Unless you just call everything a process: "His childhood was difficult and that's why he fouls people. Let's call his childhood a process."

I think at some point you have to say that some things are not processes, or cannot usefully described as such. Or they devolve into Zeno's paradox.

Re:Boeing chief must have engineering background, Emirates b... by mschuster91 on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @08:19AM (#39838069)
> Unless you just call everything a process: "His childhood was difficult and that's why he fouls people. Let's call his childhood a process."

Well... attempting to prevent stuff like bullying or domestic violence is a worthwhile goal in itself.

For the example of the soccer player, one might also question other incentives (e.g. bonuses tied to winning games no-matter-what), or why a player with a known history was hired in the first place.

Re:Boeing chief must have engineering background, Emirates b... by robertlagrant on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @10:33AM (#39839700)
> Well... attempting to prevent stuff like bullying or domestic violence is a worthwhile goal in itself.

Obviously a worthwhile goal, but not a process failure on the part of the football team.

Re:Boeing chief must have engineering background, Emirates b... by mlrtime on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @08:21AM (#39838085)
A foul is a statistic that is easily countable. If goals are greater than fouls then it may make sense to keep that footballer anyway.

I hope we aren't using football as an analogy for avionic engineering with 1000's of people.

Re:Boeing chief must have engineering background, Emirates b... by sokoloff on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @09:56AM (#39839151)
> If I as a professional footballer repeatedly foul people, which process is at fault when no one else around me does that?

The process that hasn't cut you from the football team.