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Re:Radios, how do they work? by Isamu on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @12:23PM (#39829665)
Also, I’m not sure if people are aware of the number of radio systems that enable their smartphones.

NFC (eg. Apple Pay) is a radio, range a few cm. Bluetooth is a radio, a few meters. WiFi is several radio systems, range tens of meters. Cell phone is several radio systems, range up to kilometers. GPS (and rival systems) range up to thousands of kilometers.

Re:Radios, how do they work? by IndrekR on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @01:01PM (#39830172)
NFC is not really a radio. Basically it uses a loosely copled transformer. Works much closer than 1 wavelength and only magnetic field matters.
Re:Radios, how do they work? by Isamu on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @02:58PM (#39831507)
Good point, NFC is described as operating in a particular RF band but not through radio waves:

> As with proximity card technology, NFC uses inductive coupling between two nearby loop antennas effectively forming an air-core transformer. Because the distances involved are tiny compared to the wavelength of electromagnetic radiation (radio waves) of that frequency (about 22 metres), the interaction is described as near field. An alternating magnetic field is the main coupling factor and almost no power is radiated in the form of radio waves (which are electromagnetic waves, also involving an oscillating electric field); that minimises interference between such devices and any radio communications at the same frequency or with other NFC devices much beyond its intended range. NFC operates within the globally available and unlicensed radio frequency ISM band of 13.56 MHz. Most of the RF energy is concentrated in the ±7 kHz bandwidth allocated for that band, but the emission's spectral width can be as wide as 1.8 MHz[57] in order to support high data rates.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-field_communication

Re:Radios, how do they work? by fourier54 on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @01:59PM (#39830828)
100%. Every time I read the term "antenna" when referring to the coil used for NFC/RFID I suffer inside...
Re:Radios, how do they work? by dTal on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @01:10PM (#39830290)
...and yet, efficiently transferring a 1kb file between two physically adjacent smartphones remains an apparently unsolved problem.
Re:Radios, how do they work? by pests on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @06:22PM (#39833526)
AirDrop it?
Re:Radios, how do they work? by dTal on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @07:32AM (#39837738)
I'm sure that works beautifully, unless one or both parties happen to be running the most popular mobile OS in the world, Android. That 'AirDrop' even exists as a proprietary technology really proves the point.
Re:Radios, how do they work? by ianburrell on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @12:22PM (#39841231)
On Android, use Android Quick Share which uses Google Nearby. It works very similarly to Air Drop including support for UWB.

There are lots of things where Apple and Google have solutions that don't work together.