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Re:Dune Genesis (1980) by stavros on Saturday March 23, 2024 @08:01PM (#39803948)
I've read the first book twice over the years, and really liked it. I've read the second book too, but I don't remember much about that one.

How many of the books would you recommend reading to get the whole story? I've heard they go off the rails later on (or was that the Ender saga?).

Re:Dune Genesis (1980) by smogcutter on Saturday March 23, 2024 @08:18PM (#39804038)
Read through book 4, God Emperor of Dune. At that point, “rails” are a distant memory. It’s wild, it’s wooly, it’s a 3 thousand year old worm king writing in his diary.

Book 2 is grim and deflating, 3 picks up the pace again but is really just setup for 4.

After 4, Herbert’s wife passes away and he takes up with his much younger editor. From then on, the books get significantly hornier. YMMV.

Re:Dune Genesis (1980) by enasterosophes on Saturday March 23, 2024 @08:50PM (#39804203)
Agree that 4 is the fulcrum. If anyone stops at 2 or 3 they are doing themselves a disservice.

I never realized that the change in tone in 5 and 6 were due to a new editor. Interesting, but it makes sense.

I think 5 and 6 were ... fine. But I have trouble pinpointing what they were really about. There is a lot of movement but no direction.

Re:Dune Genesis (1980) by smogcutter on Saturday March 23, 2024 @10:34PM (#39804700)
Oh yeah, 5 and 6 are… different. To be clear, by “takes up with” his editor I mean they had an affair.

I hesitate to use the word because afaik Herbert was a widower at the time, but can’t think of a better one that hits the right tone.

Re:Dune Genesis (1980) by mayd on Sunday March 24, 2024 @11:53PM (#39812737)
Affair is the wrong word:

Affair: a sexual relationship between two people, one or both of whom are married to or in a long-term relationship with someone else. "his wife is having an affair". (Google)

Re:Dune Genesis (1980) by smogcutter on Monday March 25, 2024 @10:55AM (#39817101)
If you’re going to be pedantic, at least be correct:

Websters: “a romantic or passionate attachment typically of limited duration”

Re:Dune Genesis (1980) by mayd on Sunday March 24, 2024 @11:48PM (#39812715)
Do read Dune Messiah, the sequel to Dune. I believe it was written specifically for those who failed to get the negative implication from Dune. Hence, it was not so well received. It is my favourite in the series (well, maybe after Dune itself), firstly because it is very explicit about the tragic consequences of Paul's jihad, which was only hinted at in the first book, and secondly because of the way that it greatly enriches the literary universe of Dune by filling more details of the various political actors, the Guild steersmen, the amoral technologists of the Bene Tleilax, gholas, the mysterious planet Ix, and so on. And the Dune Messiah is surprisingly short!

You should probably read Children of Dune to round off the trilogy, just to learn the fate of Paul Atreides, although he is not the primary character in that book.

The second trilogy is distinct but the stories are told told in the same setting; enjoyable but not essential.

Re:Dune Genesis (1980) by stavros on Monday March 25, 2024 @05:16AM (#39814123)
I will, thanks. I was planning to read book 4 as well, since people are saying that's the best one, can I stop there? Or will I have too many unanswered questions?