Re:ISIS claims responsibility for Moscow concert venue attac...
by consumer451 on Saturday March 23, 2024 @05:41AM
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Russia is already trying to pin this on Ukraine, and doing a very sloppy job at it.
They claim that this van with a Ukrainian license plate was found near the attack. However, they blur out the country part of the plate and the remainder indicates Belarus.
Re:ISIS claims responsibility for Moscow concert venue attac...
by vbezhenar on Saturday March 23, 2024 @07:22PM
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Terrorists were caught trying to escape to the Ukraine, very close to the border. They were obviously linked to some people on the Ukrainian territory. Or at least they thought so. According to the public information, they got instructions from anonymous telegram account, so it could really be anyone.
Re:ISIS claims responsibility for Moscow concert venue attac...
by consumer451 on Monday March 25, 2024 @05:26PM
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There is zero evidence pointing to Ukraine, and ISIS has released video from the attackers.
But let's play along with the lunatic running Russia for a moment:
For them to cross into Ukraine, they would have required the cooperation of the Russian military on the Russian side of the Ukrainian border. So.. really?
Re:ISIS claims responsibility for Moscow concert venue attac...
by consumer451 on Saturday March 23, 2024 @02:53AM
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This appears to be such a massive failure on Putin's part.
Warned of the attack, blinded by hate and paranoia, he publicly dismisses the warning as an effort to destabilize Russia.
Also, it took an hour for an armed response, and meanwhile:
> An intriguing detail - Crocus City Hall in Moscow, the site of a mass shooting on March 22nd, is situated roughly 5-8 minutes away from a major base belonging to the Main Directorate of the Federal National Guard Troops Service of the Russian Federation for the city of Moscow.
Re:ISIS claims responsibility for Moscow concert venue attac...
by netsharc on Saturday March 23, 2024 @04:13AM
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On Street View, that directorate looks like a normal office building, albeit a huge one, would they necessarily have people with military training stationed there?
Re:ISIS claims responsibility for Moscow concert venue attac...
by AnimalMuppet on Saturday March 23, 2024 @11:21AM
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My first thought on a false flag was "three days after the election?" Wouldn't you want it before?"
On reflection, no, you wouldn't. The point of that kind of false flag is to make whoever is in power look bad - weak, and in need of a stronger replacement. You don't do that if you are the one in power. Three days after an election gives the maximum time for people to forget about it before the next election.
Then what would be the point? To pin it on Ukraine, to stoke public support for the war.
But I don't buy that, for three reasons. One, from what I gather, they're doing a really clumsy job of pinning it on Ukraine. The data doesn't really support that conclusion. Two, they took too long to blame Ukraine for it. For a real false flag, I would expect the data to point quickly and decisively to the intended fake perpetrator, and only later would niggling questions come out. Third, ISIS is claiming responsibility. (Though groups wanting attention sometimes do claim operations that aren't theirs. Does ISIS do that?)
So overall, I think it's just Putin trying to make lemonade out of lemons, rather than a real false flag. But I'm just a rando posting on the internet, and I don't actually know anything...
https://bsky.app/profile/maks23.bsky.social/post/3kodutgy332...
They claim that this van with a Ukrainian license plate was found near the attack. However, they blur out the country part of the plate and the remainder indicates Belarus.
https://bsky.app/profile/thomashansen.bsky.social/post/3kocs...
But let's play along with the lunatic running Russia for a moment:
For them to cross into Ukraine, they would have required the cooperation of the Russian military on the Russian side of the Ukrainian border. So.. really?
Warned of the attack, blinded by hate and paranoia, he publicly dismisses the warning as an effort to destabilize Russia.
Also, it took an hour for an armed response, and meanwhile:
> An intriguing detail - Crocus City Hall in Moscow, the site of a mass shooting on March 22nd, is situated roughly 5-8 minutes away from a major base belonging to the Main Directorate of the Federal National Guard Troops Service of the Russian Federation for the city of Moscow.
https://bsky.app/profile/tatarigami.bsky.social/post/3kodqdz...
It's less likely now that ISIS has claimed responsibilities of course, but things aren't always what they seem.
It's not a Russian false flag because it makes Putin look incompetent.
It's not a Ukrainian op because the US wouldn't give advanced warning, instead they'd tell Ukraine to cut it out.
What we are seeing is a run of the mill ISIS attack followed by misdirection by Putin to shift blame from himself.
On reflection, no, you wouldn't. The point of that kind of false flag is to make whoever is in power look bad - weak, and in need of a stronger replacement. You don't do that if you are the one in power. Three days after an election gives the maximum time for people to forget about it before the next election.
Then what would be the point? To pin it on Ukraine, to stoke public support for the war.
But I don't buy that, for three reasons. One, from what I gather, they're doing a really clumsy job of pinning it on Ukraine. The data doesn't really support that conclusion. Two, they took too long to blame Ukraine for it. For a real false flag, I would expect the data to point quickly and decisively to the intended fake perpetrator, and only later would niggling questions come out. Third, ISIS is claiming responsibility. (Though groups wanting attention sometimes do claim operations that aren't theirs. Does ISIS do that?)
So overall, I think it's just Putin trying to make lemonade out of lemons, rather than a real false flag. But I'm just a rando posting on the internet, and I don't actually know anything...
You can argue whether it was them, but you cannot, as most do here, a priori exclude this variant as if it was something absurd: it is not.