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Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by jjwiseman on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @11:21PM (#39774620)
Well, if you identify them then you might have to do something about it. But it's not clear there's much to be done. Sometimes it's easier to deny or just not mention that someone is acting in a hostile way. The example I often think of is Iran firing missiles at U.S. warships during Operation Praying Mantis, and then, as Wikipedia puts it: "The Pentagon and the Reagan Administration later denied that any Silkworm missile attacks took place, possibly in order to keep the situation from escalating further - as they had promised publicly that any such attacks would merit retaliation against targets on Iranian soil."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by jojobas on Thursday March 21, 2024 @01:51AM (#39775204)
The situation with Russia is well past escalation by accusation of civil aircraft jamming. After all, they've pretty much stolen all planes they had under lease from Western owners.

Appeasement of someone like Putin is always a mistake.

So far every time the West calls his bluff he cowardly pretends nothing happened, be it HIMARS, Storm Shadow and HARM missile shipments, tank shipments, AWACS support, you name it.

He only attacked Ukraine because he hoped to win in a week, and this wouldn't have happened if the West armed Ukraine earlier. The desire not to escalate with Putin cost Europe a war.

Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by zuppy on Thursday March 21, 2024 @05:22AM (#39776368)
every few weeks they're threttening to nuke some country, i think there's nothing that can be called excalation at this point (except the obvious idea to retaliate with guns, but that's a very bad idea).
Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by cpursley on Thursday March 21, 2024 @05:57AM (#39776632)
Can you provide sources where they actually threaten to nuke anyone out of the blue (excluding Medvedev, he’s especially nuts)? All I can find is them clarifying their nuclear policy when pressed about it (would only use in situation of existential threat). Which seems less bellicose than US policy (as the US changed ours not long ago, seemingly allowing for first strike which is pretty insane): https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-12/focus/bidens-disappo...
Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by jojobas on Thursday March 21, 2024 @06:29AM (#39776826)
Then you remember they called Ukraine in NATO an existential threat, and wiped their butts with international treaties that were supposed to be much more set in stone than some half-official nuclear doctrine.

However, this is all playing chicken. Whenever they were facing actual opposition, they backed down.

Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by cpursley on Thursday March 21, 2024 @06:52AM (#39776983)
Which threats and treaties, specifically? I don't have a great memory - so please share actual sources.

Also, are you aware of this?: https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-09/news/us-completes-in...

Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by computerfriend on Thursday March 21, 2024 @08:05AM (#39777483)
For some speculative context: this is because of the "pivot to Asia" as the US does not have a strategic arms reduction treaty with China and is not intended to escalate the arms race with Russia (although that might be a side-effect).
Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by jojobas on Thursday March 21, 2024 @08:48AM (#39777875)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

As for INF, US withdrawal was a response to Russia testing infringing missiles first.

Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by cpursley on Thursday March 21, 2024 @09:45AM (#39778446)
Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by stracer on Monday March 25, 2024 @02:16PM (#39819567)
Pulling out of treaty is not as treacherous as claiming obeying the treaty, and not obeying it.
Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday March 21, 2024 @11:22AM (#39779672)
Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by cpursley on Thursday March 21, 2024 @12:39PM (#39780923)
That is not an unbiased primary source in the slightest.
Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by hexxagone on Thursday March 21, 2024 @02:00PM (#39782115)
Is BFMTV also biased when reporting words directly from the mouth of Piotr Tolstoi or are you just trolling ?
Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by cpursley on Thursday March 21, 2024 @03:42PM (#39783439)
If people are claiming that a country is threatening nuclear war, they damn well better be able to back it up with something more than narrative-shaping sound bytes.
Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by glompers on Sunday March 24, 2024 @02:00AM (#39805390)
Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by flohofwoe on Thursday March 21, 2024 @08:54AM (#39777920)
Medvedev is chairman of the Russian security council though, who else would be more qualified for dishing out the weekly nuclear threat?
Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by cpursley on Thursday March 21, 2024 @10:46AM (#39779118)
Which weekly nuclear threat?

Sensational out of context drive by sound bytes from the likes of Guardian, Fox News, Twitter and video gammer subreddits are not sources - they’re click bait.

Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday March 21, 2024 @11:18AM (#39779620)
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews

Months and months of this nonsense now.

Do you really think Solovyov and Simonyan are broadcasting it without official approval?

Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by ciceryadam on Thursday March 21, 2024 @11:59AM (#39780306)
Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by cpursley on Thursday March 21, 2024 @12:08PM (#39780457)
This is not a source, it’s an option. Anything from ISW is not neutral, it’s ideological due to the Nuland Kagen connection.
Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by cpursley on Thursday March 21, 2024 @11:40AM (#39779967)
I literally just wrote Twitter is not news. And you posted a random Twitter profile. I’m not even sure what you expect me to see there.

Show me any actual authoritative source not from social or drive-by media pointing out where the official Russian position is some kind of first strike.

Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by hexxagone on Thursday March 21, 2024 @01:57PM (#39782069)
You mean like Piotr Tolstoi talking about nuking Paris on BFMTV just today ? (https://fr.yahoo.com/news/calcule-proche-vladimir-poutine-%C...).
Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by egorfine on Thursday March 21, 2024 @05:37PM (#39784714)
Biden did kind of the same. A few years ago he promised russia "devastating consequences if Navalny dies in prison". So Navalny did die in prison. What did Biden do? Right.
Re:Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map by rdtsc on Friday March 22, 2024 @08:09AM (#39789848)
Yup. Promises and talking big works up until someone calls the bluff.

NATO in a certain way is based on that as well. If it fails a single test regarding article 5 after someone challenges it, it becomes instantly worthless.

The danger as I see it currently is that the West is tired of war and it’s an opportunity for Putin to challenge NATO. Attack a small village in a Baltic state. Are Americans and Germans and the British going to risk their lives for a small village in a Baltic country? I hope they would, but I realistically don’t see it. And that one non-response would make NATO worth less than the paper the agreement was printed on.