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Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by resource_waste on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @12:14PM (#39768596)
Or we are going to be training Junior engineers with outdated skill sets and build outdated infrastructure.

Sometimes top down planning works, but I think I would personally need to trust the leadership and the incentives.

Unfortunately incentives on these are typically to do bare-minimum so you can meet the criteria to get subsidies. Sure the chips will be usable, but you spent a multiplier of the cost it takes to get it, and the chips aren't cutting edge.

I'd a bit more interested in some moonshot idealism than just some military buildup.

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Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by autoexecbat on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @12:20PM (#39768696)
It really doesn't matter if it's a bit out-dated, you cant create senior engineers without them being junior. All seniors trained on currently 'old' methods by definition of time passing
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Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by lupusreal on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @12:18PM (#39768647)
Top down planning is the only way projects requiring massive capital investment get done. There's no such thing as grassroots fabs.
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Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by resource_waste on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @03:00PM (#39770630)
The top down planning could be profit driven rather than defense driven.
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Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by lupusreal on Thursday March 21, 2024 @05:57AM (#39776630)
Defense consideration generally require defense driven planning.
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Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by evilduck on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @12:53PM (#39769160)
> the chips aren't cutting edge.

We learned from the pandemic that a huge amount of the world's manufacturing economy depends on the availability of old and outdated chips. Being competitive in cutting edge CPUs and GPUs is only one facet of the problem. Incrementally addressing chip production needs seems better than doing nothing for longer in an attempt to solve everything at once, or a riskier leapfrog attempt that's likely to fail.

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Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by Aloisius on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @05:02PM (#39771997)
> and the chips aren't cutting edge.

Intel is building two 20A in Arizona and one 18A fab in Ohio. If they aren't cutting edge, what is?

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