Source: Worked sometime for a subcontractor of a subcontractor of AT&T from a third world country.
I've sold and managed products that AT&T's various security organizations use organization wide and have helped them with some scares.
Without going too deep (and entering NDA breaking territory with ATT and former employers), I'll say I'm very confident about their internal security posture.
Also, a lot of the insinuations in your post are just plain racist and insulting.
Trust me, don't trust me. Idc. It's the internet.
Also, young green card in this context is synonymous with cost cutting. Young being inexperienced, green card being cheap. I apologize if you racially identify as green card.
When they called me curry girl it was a racist remark even though curry is not a race.
Our company takes in data from others and their auditing is rigorous. It's not much of a better look to be seen handing out customer data willy-nilly.
Liability from 3rd party breaches are avoided if the 3rd party has shown that they did their due diligence in maintaining their security.
If they show that they are in SOC 1/2 compliance along with other similar compliance frameworks, that is enough.
> auditing is rigorous
Having dealt with and seen this from SMEs to F10s I guarantee you it's nowhere near as rigorous as you expect, and that this is a common issue across all organizations - even some darlings on HN that people view as deeply technical.
Everyone has their pants off.
The breach did happen, but things under the hood are so bad that they have no idea it happened. The layers of incompetence and don't-give-a-fuck completely obscure the evidence. The IT team, staffed mostly by young green cards who weren't even in this country 3 years ago, stare blankly at AT&T's internal auditing system developed in the 90's with a long dead and strictly proprietary language. Doesn't matter because the system didn't even catch the breach anyway. As you move up the chain, people just get more divorced from reality as they live in the delusion of AT&T still being a forefront technology company. So of course the breach didn't happen to them.
At least that it my theory.