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Re:EPA bans asbestos, a deadly carcinogen still in use decad... by timr on Monday March 18, 2024 @03:56PM (#39749197)
I could describe any number of study designs. But the burden is not on me, it's on the people who are in the research area to do good science.

More to the point, my ability (or lack) to come up with an experiment is not an excuse for you or anyone else to cite bad science with impunity. Likewise, if a study design is bad, it's bad regardless of my ability to correct it.

Re:EPA bans asbestos, a deadly carcinogen still in use decad... by phone8675309 on Monday March 18, 2024 @04:23PM (#39749532)
Look dickhead, I haven't cited shit. You keep bringing up methodological issues with the existing studies. I'm only asking if you think a good study could be done and what it would look like.

If you're going to fold like a cheap suit to a softball question (that isn't shifting the burden, it's trying to understand what you consider a good methodology) then kindly either shut the fuck up or fuck off and let the adults talk.

Re:EPA bans asbestos, a deadly carcinogen still in use decad... by dredmorbius on Monday March 18, 2024 @07:20PM (#39751237)
Re:EPA bans asbestos, a deadly carcinogen still in use decad... by spenczar5 on Monday March 18, 2024 @04:06PM (#39749313)
I think the burden could be on the chemical producer: do “good science” to show this material is safe, or don’t use it at all. That conservative mindset seems very reasonable to me.

The question remains - what is “good science?”

Re:EPA bans asbestos, a deadly carcinogen still in use decad... by dredmorbius on Monday March 18, 2024 @08:20PM (#39751651)
This isn't a question of burden but of communication.

You're slinging shade but parlous little illumination here. Adjusting that balance would make for a rather more substantive discussion.

Re:EPA bans asbestos, a deadly carcinogen still in use decad... by timr on Monday March 18, 2024 @09:07PM (#39751958)
This line of questioning always goes to the same place: it's not about educating the OP of better ways to do science, but them attempting to argue with me about whatever suggestions I make. I'm not getting sucked into it. My ability to do a "better" study is not relevant here.

If you want to think I'm "wrong" because I don't, then you're more than welcome to do so. But it doesn't change the fact that most observational epidemiology is riddled with bias, and is of low quality.

Re:EPA bans asbestos, a deadly carcinogen still in use decad... by dredmorbius on Monday March 18, 2024 @11:09PM (#39752575)
You of course cannot determine how others will respond to you, as I cannot determine how you'll respond to me.

If, however, you do answer in good faith, credibly, and substantively to a specific question or request, you'll know, and fair-minded readers will generally recognise, that you've done so.

Or you could, say, contribute over a half-dozen responses within the thread with roughly a quarter of them explicitly withholding or defending the withholding of that substantive contribution.

Your call.