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Re:Vision Pro: What we got wrong at Oculus that Apple got right by bradly on Friday March 15, 2024 @11:26AM (#39716812)
Apple has a history to sticking with things like this. Watch and HomePod were both seen as over-priced and sold poorly the first iterations. Apple leadership had the confidence to see through those initial versions. This was part of the internal culture during my time at Apple.
Re:Vision Pro: What we got wrong at Oculus that Apple got right by noneeeed on Friday March 15, 2024 @11:32AM (#39716885)
Watch is my go-to comparison for the Vision Pro. That took several generations before people started to buy in large numbers.
Re:Vision Pro: What we got wrong at Oculus that Apple got right by dmarcos on Friday March 15, 2024 @04:57PM (#39720634)
Fitness trackers (Fitbit), traditional and sport watches (with GPS) were popular categories when Apple Watch launched.

Apple Vision Pro is a different beast because AR/VR don’t have product-market fit yet besides a few game genres that Apple doesn’t care about.

Apple is good at improving existing product categories less so at finding product-market fit that usually outsources to others.

Re:Vision Pro: What we got wrong at Oculus that Apple got right by wolverine876 on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:09PM (#39718053)
> This was part of the internal culture during my time at Apple.

From a management perspective, how do they handle the people side of that - keeping good people on the team and keeping them motivated to do something extraordinary?

People don't like spending time on unsuccessful projects and don't want their names associated with them, and don't want to work extra hard on something that won't come to fruition.

Maybe Apple management has enough internal reputation that employees are willing to take that risk (but even Apple management has flops - the car seeming to be a recent example). But that doesn't feel like a sufficient explanation to me.

Re:Vision Pro: What we got wrong at Oculus that Apple got right by euroderf on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:20PM (#39718222)
So basically they have the patience, the cash stockpile, and the management culture to support large multi-year product field testing with non-employees.
Re:Vision Pro: What we got wrong at Oculus that Apple got right by bradly on Saturday March 16, 2024 @07:55PM (#39730525)
You don't know if Apple sees them as failures. We weren't building to v1. We were building a long lived product. We knew that. We understood our vision and that it might take years to see that through. I don't think anyone would be ashamed to have Apple Watch or HomePod on their resume.
Re:Vision Pro: What we got wrong at Oculus that Apple got right by wolverine876 on Sunday March 17, 2024 @02:09AM (#39732298)
Clearly you are right and they were right, but that's hindsight.

Getting people to see that in forseight when they aren't seeing results, they won't for years, and it's all uncertain that it all won't be a waste of time, and it's frustrating and they have other, more certain offers - that's difficult leadership and management, and I wonder how Apple does it.

Re:Vision Pro: What we got wrong at Oculus that Apple got right by bradly on Monday March 18, 2024 @12:23PM (#39746513)
But we were getting the results we expected, just not what articles and blog posts expected. I learned very quickly that most things I read regarding projects I had knowledge of were wildly inaccurate.