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Re:Reverse engineering a car key fob signal by orra on Thursday March 14, 2024 @09:59AM (#39704102)
I find it wild how pervasive passive keyless entry is. Completely form over (security) function.
Re:Reverse engineering a car key fob signal by SR2Z on Thursday March 14, 2024 @10:13AM (#39704283)
I wouldn't be so quick to say that - it's unquestionably more convenient than old-fashioned transponder keys in a few really important ways. You can't lock your keys in the car, you don't need more than one free hand to open a door (and sometimes not even that), and you don't need to deal with a massive bundle of keys jangling against your knees.
Re:Reverse engineering a car key fob signal by elif on Thursday March 14, 2024 @10:26AM (#39704447)
tumber locks are built on even more hopes and dreams than security.

proper PSK cryptographic locks can (and are) implemented for cars already, just not all cars.

Re:Reverse engineering a car key fob signal by mmh0000 on Thursday March 14, 2024 @12:51PM (#39706252)
Honestly... As an end user, I prefer convenience over security in my everyday life. I have insurance for the rare instance someone steals it.

The same goes for my house. I could live in a concrete bunker with no windows and steel doors, but I would much rather live in a home with large windows and a door with a crummy deadbolt.

The risk of someone stealing my car or breaking into my house is low. If that risk increases (and thus the area's overall quality decreases), I'll move to a different location.

Re:Reverse engineering a car key fob signal by hnick on Thursday March 14, 2024 @09:01PM (#39710988)
Ultimately, if it were a severe problem, wouldn't insurance premiums reflect this?
Re:Reverse engineering a car key fob signal by oarsinsync on Friday March 15, 2024 @05:00AM (#39713498)
They do. Try to get a Range Rover insured in the UK. You’ll struggle.
Re:Reverse engineering a car key fob signal by hnick on Friday March 15, 2024 @07:04PM (#39721593)
Interesting, I searched and that seems accurate, it doesn't seem to be the case here in AU though from what I've seen.
Re:Reverse engineering a car key fob signal by oarsinsync on Tuesday March 19, 2024 @04:42AM (#39753898)
These keyless systems enable these cars to be broken into really easily. I’ve had friends see thieves operate in pairs, one by the front door, one by the car, and effectively use repeaters between the house and the car to unlock his Range Rover, and then drive away with it, in under a minute (as captured by his home security system).

The question then becomes more of a value proposition / opportunity cost. If you can steal any keyless car trivially, why wouldn’t you target the vehicles that can net you the greatest return?

Why steal a Prius when you can steal a Evoque?

Re:Reverse engineering a car key fob signal by bdavbdav on Friday March 15, 2024 @06:10AM (#39713915)
Having had it on my last few cars, I wouldn’t go back.