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Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by lifthrasiir on Thursday March 14, 2024 @02:34AM (#39701098)
A federated version of Wikipedia wouldn't displace the centralized Wikipedia (for the same reason that Wikipedia didn't exactly replace traditional encyclopedias), but it has a potential to supplement everything else, and I believe it's worthwhile enough.
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by thaumasiotes on Thursday March 14, 2024 @02:42AM (#39701126)
> for the same reason that Wikipedia didn't exactly replace traditional encyclopedias

It didn't?

Compare https://www.worldbook.com/world-book-encyclopedia-2024.aspx :

> As the only general reference encyclopedia still published today, The World Book Encyclopedia 2024 provides authoritative content on almost every topic to learners of all ages

Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by lifthrasiir on Thursday March 14, 2024 @02:47AM (#39701154)
Most traditional encyclopedias ceased to publish in the book form. Online encyclopedias are pretty much alive.
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by ChrisKnott on Thursday March 14, 2024 @03:13AM (#39701277)
Their significance in public life was been almost completely replaced by Wikipedia, though
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by lifthrasiir on Thursday March 14, 2024 @03:25AM (#39701325)
Wikipedia articles are not consumed like traditional encyclopedias anyway. I would say that encyclopedias became much less relevant in general, but being one of the first influencial online encyclopedias, Wikipedia came to be used as a volatile source of information even though it didn't strive to be one.
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by emj on Thursday March 14, 2024 @03:30AM (#39701345)
We used them for further research or quick look up of facts you should know. That seems to be how people use Wikipedia.
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by chgs on Thursday March 14, 2024 @04:18AM (#39701515)
We used to copy articles out of them for homework. The more things change…
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by lifthrasiir on Thursday March 14, 2024 @03:35AM (#39701369)
That's how people should use Wikipedia, but people generally don't do so in my understanding.
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by blowski on Thursday March 14, 2024 @04:36AM (#39701609)
How do they use it then?
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by szundi on Thursday March 14, 2024 @04:39AM (#39701625)
As a meager pedestrian, I consume Wikipedia instead of Encyclopedias - that I sometimes did when I was a kid
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by bawolff on Thursday March 14, 2024 @05:11AM (#39701774)
Idk if it was the first. Microsoft encarta was a pretty big player in that space back in the day.
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by dagw on Thursday March 14, 2024 @05:46AM (#39701940)
Was Encarta ever released online? I only remember the CD-ROM version.
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by bawolff on Thursday March 14, 2024 @07:15PM (#39710131)
Yes, i think starting around 1999 so quite a bit after the cdrom releases. Admittedly that is only 2 years before wikipedia.
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by MichaelZuo on Thursday March 14, 2024 @03:32AM (#39701355)
But not among the paying clientele.
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by Erwin on Thursday March 14, 2024 @06:07AM (#39702042)
Here in Denmark we have an online lexicon which is managed by (barely paid) scientists and experts. For every article you can see which scientist was involved in making it, what expert is responsible for the area etc. https://denstoredanske.lex.dk/
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by medstrom on Thursday March 14, 2024 @05:15AM (#39701788)
I suspect they're growing again, much like Usenet, RSS and the blogosphere. Because, you know. I try to check https://www.britannica.com / https://www.encyclopedia.com for political hot topics.
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by bawolff on Thursday March 14, 2024 @05:34AM (#39701887)
> but it has a potential to supplement everything else, and I believe it's worthwhile enough.

What do you think it would supplement?

Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by lencastre on Thursday March 14, 2024 @05:55AM (#39701983)
It needs to be on the blotchein! What, too soon?
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by bawolff on Thursday March 14, 2024 @06:56PM (#39709953)
You know, technically i feel like wikipedia already is. Each revision of a pageis hashed, and they form a sequence in time. Isn't that the definition of block chain?
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by kamray23 on Thursday March 14, 2024 @05:55AM (#39701982)
Wikipedia displaced traditional encyclopedias. The number of encyclopedias produced in Finnish fell from ~10 to 1 in the last two decades, that one being fiwiki. The same is true for many languages. What once was a normal thing middle-class families kept in a vitrine is now something old-fashioned and rare. There are no physical copies being printed nor online versions accessible and actively edited. There were online versions, but they were too costly to operate and shut down due to being outcompeted by Wikipedia. There is only fiwiki.
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by lifthrasiir on Thursday March 14, 2024 @07:37AM (#39702567)
As I've mentioned in other comments, that's not directly related to the rise of Wikipedia because most people no longer read encyclopedias in the way they used to decades ago. I have a counterexample as well; major encyclopedias and dictionaries in Korea are kept alive by portal websites nowadays, but these portals never tried to adopt kowiki instead. (I was one of earlier administrators in kowiki during that transition period, if you wonder.) A better hypothesis for Finnish would therefore be a lack of such sponsors to keep them alive, and that would be completely orthogonal to the existence or absence of fiwiki.
Re:Ibis, a federated Wikipedia alternative by kamray23 on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @05:25AM (#39764333)
It's not orthogonal, though. We had online encyclopedias for around a decade, they functioned extremely well, and it was the way people got their information. During the latter part of that decade fiwiki started to really pick up steam (although it was years old by that point) and very quickly every other encyclopedia ran out of users and therefore revenue. The concept worked well, it's the movement of users to a competing product that caused their downfall, and therefore it is definitely fiwiki that is the issue.