Fox News and MSNBC are propaganda for American political parties not foreign governments. They have a much stronger constitutional argument for 1st Amendment protection than Russia Today or China Central TV would.

It seems you are not looking to American history: CIA and dictatorships in Latin America?

What’s the argument here? Because the US does harm to others, they should permit others to harm them?

No, it is to talk apples vs. apples about the upper argument on USA having propaganda only internally.

The US government absolutely has its own government run media outlets such as Voice of America and foreign governments do ban them. For example, the Taliban has attempted to ban VOA in Afghanistan:

https://www.insidevoa.com/a/despite-taliban-s-censorship-voa...

FoxNews and MSNCB are directed internally. An example of American propaganda directed externally would be Voice of America.

No, it's owned & controlled by an American family (from Australia), has its headquarters in New York City and is not beholden to any foreign governments.

> is not beholden to any foreign governments.

The reverse has occasionally been the case.

Of course not. He said "foreign countries". The propaganda outlets at home are harmless.

Whatever you think of our home-grown propaganda outlets, the US govt taking different approaches to foreign outlets should be uncontroversial. Unlike the CCP, US citizens have first amendment rights.

> The propaganda outlets at home are harmless.

I'm calling bullshit on that one. Fox News is incredibly harmful.

I was being sarcastic :)

I wish I was...

Sigh, this is tiresome.... Incredibly harmful because you don't agree with conservative politics.

The same exact political opinion nonsense happens on the far left from other outlets and are just as "harmful".

Bullshit. This isn't "conservative politics". This is right-wing hate behind the thinnest veil of "political entertainment".

They don't really talk about small government or fiscal conservatism anymore. They talk about the "threat" that is posed by LGBTQ+ people and immigrants.

I can't even talk to my own father anymore without him getting angry. Angry about nothing. That's one of millions of very real relationships that have been very directly damaged by Fox News. They don't get to do that, then just shrug it off as it it's an accident, and not their primary business model.

Dude, you are very angry and I'd suggest you readjust.

My father watches fox news 24/7. I used to be angry like you anytime we touched close to politics. Now, I just don't talk about it, it's not worth it and doesn't add any value to the relationship, and never did before.

Hopefully you'll see this as you get older. Fox news didn't damage your relationship, sorry.

I don't talk about it either. He insists we talk about it, or he silently stews over the lack of engagement, while disengaging from everyone else in the room. Sure, it didn't destroy our relationship, but I'm not going to pretend everything is just as good as it was 6 years ago: it's not.

That's just one personal example, too. You would be hard-pressed to find a random 20-minute span of the Fox News network where the primary subject of discussion isn't hate or fear. Very rarely is the primary subject actually a political position. Fox News is a constant barrage of why you should be afraid of and angry at the very existence of every person who has interests or goals that don't match the interests and goals of a right-wing transphobic christian nationalist.

Even if it were about presenting and supporting the political position of right-wing transphobic christian nationalism, it would be better. Fox News does not focus on any political position. Instead, they focus on the engagement of fear and hate that implies that position.

Don't worry Thomas, you just need to "get older" as our patronizing interlocutor suggests

I'm not too worried about their opinion. I just want to do what I can to show people the reality of the situation. Fox News doesn't get to maximize the engagement of its audience and minimize the engagement of its critics.

Ok good, keep up the fight and I shall too, it only dies in silence

And fox news as the boogie man will continue to live in your heads.

"Fight the good fight" ffs.

What's the alternative? To do nothing? You my friend are a cynic, but your existence proves that you're probably less of a cynic than you let on

Don't alienate the "other side", it drives them further away.

Shake hands, understand why others feel the way they do. You don't have to agree, but it helps.

I need to do this myself, but I don't walk around angry and blame "the other side"

I think when dealing with 'the other side' so to speak, a good many of us (me included) are against the forces of shear ignorance, scientific illiteracy, undo/thinly veiled racism, and a general disunion amongst men (a war of all against all). I certainly wouldn't put you in this category, but you must admit your original comment came in hot, which instinctively makes people put their shields up. I hope we can all be like the Buddha, but for me, it's exceedingly hard to embody

I think I pretty clearly laid out how this "boogy man" has directly impacted my life. That's a reality that very much exists outside my head.

Ah yes, the "don't talk about politics" approach. The one fundamental/procedural union of all with all, the thing that wretches all of us out from tribal/segregated animal existence. The biggest decision tree impacting our planet and the universe at large. That thing? Yeah just ignore it, if dad thinks killing the gays should be part of the law and I don't...well ya know, let's just lobotomize ourselves psychically so we never have to broach the truths of morality, ethics, justice, and never discuss the two paths humanity and walk down. Very well. Leave it to the others, what do we know anyways, it's not like we can do anything...