And there’s the rub. You’re getting very emotive about the subject whereas I am approaching it simply as a customer experience issue.
When I book the cabins I get a cheaper price the longer I stay.
The issue would therefore seem to be that the Airbnb doesn’t provide you the flexibility you desire. The cabin’s I’ve stayed at are owned by different people but rented out by a company that handles such properties in a reasonable manner.
And besides, you continue to ignore my initial first statement: That I feel it’s immoral to charge a cleaning fee AND expect customers to do cleaning.
The original post I replied to stated that they expect the customers to strip the bed plus more cleaning tasks, AND they charge a $200 Cleaning fee.
Even the Airbnb CEO stated he felt that it was wrong to expect customers to strip the bed.
The Cabins I stay are request that when you leave the property you have gathered plateware etc. into the kitchen, and towels etc are left in the shower, and all furniture is left in the basic state you found it.
That takes all of about 10 minutes - which is fine by me. All costs in cleaning and maintenance is taken out of the rental fees.
So no, in my “scheme” costs are not higher because the company I rent through handles rates accordingly.
Lol, this is a severe lack of self-awareness on your part. You're the one bitching all over this thread because someone dares to not include cleaning fee in the nightly cost, but instead charges it transparently as a separate line. I can't imagine why this rubs you so much. Why? Why does it matter to you? Why do you take this as a transgression against you? I'm perplexed at your continued insistence on this being sooo important, when you're just not getting even the basics here.
> When I book the cabins I get a cheaper price the longer I stay. The issue would therefore seem to be that the Airbnb doesn’t provide you the flexibility you desire.
You do get a cheaper price the longer you stay with this setup we have, by having the fixed costs divided over multiple days, hence making the price per day lower when you stay longer. How are you still not getting this? It's incomprehensible to me..
> you continue to ignore my initial first statement
No, I've already explained that there's a difference between what a guest is expected to do and the cleaning the cleaning fee pays for.
Please avoid tit-for-tat spats in particular. They're extremely tedious and definitely not what HN threads are for.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
Edit: you've unfortunately been doing this repeatedly in other places too - e.g.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39558277
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39552080
Moreover we've had to ask you about this more than once before:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33014240 (Sept 2022)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22668623 (March 2020)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22668616 (March 2020)
If this keeps up, we're going to have to ban you. I do not want to ban you, so if you'd please review the rules and stick to them from now on, that would be good.
Please avoid tit-for-tat spats in particular. They're extremely tedious and definitely not what HN threads are for.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
Ohh my god, come on, you've been explained this a hundred times by now. It's not that I can't handle it. It's that it's fairer for everyone if the price is set based on the actual cost.
My cabin costs $200 a night to rent, and $100 to clean. If you stay 2 nights that's $500 total, or $250 a night. Do you suggest I just should set the price to $250?
But what then for those renting for 7 nights? Normally they pay $1500. But with your scheme it will be $1750. Or I would have to eat the cleaning cost for those staying 2 days, making no money and instead just pulling it from the market and everyone loses.
The customer doesn't even see the cleaning fee. They see a total price. Then it's up to them to decide if they think it's worth booking or not.
Perhaps this is because I live in Europe, where all costs must be up front. Hence there is no scamming going on here. And I don't care what a cabin on the other side of the world does. I do what makes sense in my local market (people here even bring their own bedding!!). Get it into your head that people want freedom to choose a stay that fits them. If you don't want to care about this, then just don't book.