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Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by christkv on Sunday March 10, 2024 @10:25AM (#39659362)
Memory seems very low for inference on bigger models?. Memory bandwidth is also massively lower than something like a 4090 or 7900xtx?. Am I missing some fairy dust magic here?
Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by andy99 on Sunday March 10, 2024 @11:03AM (#39659717)

  This is purely a developer kit, letting people get used to the hardware configuration and the software stacks before the big hardware comes later in future generations.
I'd like to know what different precisions/ quantizations if any are supported. For LLMs 8GB is fine for playing around if weights are quantized. And as the article mentions it's more than enough for lots of computer vision models.
Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by camel-cdr on Sunday March 10, 2024 @11:17AM (#39659834)
Grayskull supports FP8, FP16, BFP16, VFP2, BFP4, BFP8 [0], and some sort of 19-bit floating point in the SFPU. [1]

I don't know how and with what performance those are supported.

FP4 has 221 TFLOPS on the Grayskull e75, and 332 TFLOPS on the Grayskull e150. [0]

While wormhole has 82 INT8 TOPS per card. [2]

I haven't found any other numbers.

Edit: Some more info about data formats: https://docs.tenstorrent.com/tenstorrent/v/tt-buda/dataforma...

[0] https://docs.tenstorrent.com/tenstorrent/add-in-boards-and-c...

[1] https://tenstorrent-metal.github.io/tt-metal/latest/tt_metal...

[2] https://tenstorrent.com/systems/galaxy/

Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by andy99 on Sunday March 10, 2024 @04:45PM (#39662381)
Cool, thank you!
Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by alecco on Monday March 11, 2024 @03:49AM (#39665697)
That's a lot of formats for FP8, FP4, and even FP2! (never heard of). I wonder how they did it. Nice.
Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by ChainOfFools on Sunday March 10, 2024 @10:35AM (#39659444)
What's the memory interface like? Is an extreme NUMA thing with several orders greater potential for parallelization?

I'm probably dreaming; new CPU core designs are one thing, a completely new memory design is likely high fantasy..

Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by christkv on Sunday March 10, 2024 @10:41AM (#39659511)
I mean it says LPDDR4, nothing about how many channels but I would be surprised if it's anything more than dual-channel. Big cache but not anything not already seen in the AMD 3XD chips.
Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by ac29 on Sunday March 10, 2024 @12:20PM (#39660345)
The quoted ~100-120GBps is going to be quad-channel LPDDR4
Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by onlyrealcuzzo on Sunday March 10, 2024 @10:44AM (#39659541)
Will graphics cards eventually get renamed?

Are the optimizations for inference basically identical to graphics?

I imagine the workloads are different, and that inference has been the main market for years now...

Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by yencabulator on Sunday March 10, 2024 @12:26PM (#39660383)
The new things are already getting renamed, but the dust hasn't settled yet.

NPU: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_accelerator

TPU: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor_Processing_Unit

Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by adgjlsfhk1 on Sunday March 10, 2024 @04:58PM (#39662469)
why bother renaming? just re-acronym to "greatly parallel unit"
Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by algo_trader on Sunday March 10, 2024 @10:49AM (#39659584)
The website indicates each Tensix core ~1TOP theoretical. So not amazing.

It will have to compete on price/memory in the crowded inference space.

Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by christkv on Sunday March 10, 2024 @11:47AM (#39660087)
Maybe power usage ?
Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by VHRanger on Sunday March 10, 2024 @08:15PM (#39663576)
This card isn't competing on price - it's a dev kit.
Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by dannyw on Sunday March 10, 2024 @01:50PM (#39661028)
Why are they so skimpy on memory capacity? I guess this is a dev kit for anything but LLMs?
Re:Tenstorrent unveils Grayskull, its RISC-V answer to GPUs by marty1885 on Monday March 11, 2024 @05:02AM (#39665997)
Grayskull is make before LLMs being a thing. And their plan is like Groq, to distribute the compute graph across multiple processors to get higher effective memory and throughput by pipelining. But better-ish by having RAM so you can fit models on much less cards. Grayskull doesn't have this ability. The next generation Wormhole does by having 100GbE interfaces on the cards.

Also the CPUs on Grayskull is 32bit. Memory is addressed through the bank address so it works for now. But they'll have to upgrade to 64bit soon.