The comment you're responding to wasn't written by "the rust community", it was written by kerkeslager, who has written a bunch of C programs, but has found that the Rust build tools are better. There is nothing new or sad about it.

> The comment you're responding to wasn't written by "the rust community"

This makes no sense. Almost by definition, anyone derailing a discussion to mention $FOO is a member of the $FOO community.

It's disingenuous to suggest that all derailment is due to non-$FOO advocates.

> There is nothing new or sad about it.

The phenomenon of persistent derailment is, in fact, something that I had not seen until Rust arrived.

It is new, it's limited only to Rust advocates as a group, and I find it sad.

> The phenomenon of persistent derailment is, in fact, something that I had not seen until Rust arrived.

Apparently you have never seen a thread on X11, which almost invariably is derailed by a discussion about Wayland. Or in general, any discussion on Wayland or systemd is derailed into a rant how they're the worst software ever developed or something, to a tedious degree that makes me long for the Rewrite-it-in-Rust comments because at least those sometime make compelling points.

I also find that Go has delightful build tooling; running 'go build ./...' is nearly the universal build tool.

There, now we're not limited to just Rust advocates, so I hope you no longer find this thread sad : )

Agreed, go has good build tooling. And pretty good tooling in general.

And if you search my post history, you'll find some posts that make it clear I despise go.

As it turns out, languages aren't religions--you can like a language and admit it has flaws, and you can hate a language and admit it has strengths.

It turns out, the rust community is made up of individuals. No one made the claim that there's some single entity called the rust community that's doing this. It's the individuals w/i that community doing it.

so yes, you pointed out the moniker of the individual doing this. It doesn't obviate the point.

Every <lang> discussion here gets sidetracked/sidethreaded by <lang2> mentions.

- Rust? Why not Nim?

- Nim? Why not Zig?

1. I've written, at most, 10,000 lines of Rust. Calling me "the Rust community" is quite a stretch.

2. For comparison, I've almost certainly crossed the million lines of C mark years ago--if anything, I'm the C community.

3. You and I remember very different things about the C++ community. In fact, I also remember a number of other languages being offered as alternatives to C over the years including some obvious ones like Pascal or Basic, and also including some real absurdities like Lua (nothing wrong with Lua, but it's really not for the same kinds of projects as C). The idea that comparing your language to C is some sort of new phenomenon, is flat wrong.

4. You're ascribing a lot of intent to me bringing up Rust which isn't there. I'm not trying to derail the discussion--if you want to talk about C, do it.

5. The idea that the Rust community is threatened by C is a bit bizarre.