(https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-isra...)

“In the medicolegal assessment of available photos and videos, no tangible indications of rape could be identified,” the report concluded.

"It is known for its negative coverage of American foreign policy,[1][4] misleading reporting,[25][26] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone

Excellent sources!

And where are the women whom we should believe?

> You think in a sudden 1143 person civilian homicidal attack, going door to door, no rape happened

Firstly, the latest figure from Israel is that 695 Israeli civilians were killed, with the rest being security forces. Of those 695, many were armed settlers.

Secondly, the fact you assume rape did occur, especially in the total absence of any evidence, is bizarre, and suggests you may have some deeply-seated biases against Palestinians and/or Muslims.

As I explained in another comment here [0], the UN report is a farce insisted upon by Israel to aid in laundering their lurid attrocity propaganda. The report is not the result of an investigation, it simply regurgitates what Israel presented to Pramila Patten. From the report:

> As a result of the aforementioned challenges, it must be noted that the information gathered by the mission team was in a large part sourced from Israeli national institutions. This is due to the absence of United Nations entities operating in Israel, as well as the lack of cooperation by the State of Israel with relevant United Nations bodies with an investigative mandate

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=GordonS#39629197

Do you hear yourself? We're talking about the Hamas that crossed into Israeli territory and surprise butchered civilians with weapons into a bloody death??? I'm supposed to be prejudiced because according to a UN report, they also committed rapes across that carnage?

I've already read what you quoted. It's contradicted by "The mission team received clear and convincing information"

> "in the total absence of any evidence"

Absolutely delusional.

The report doesn't say that. It says they received "convincing information"... from Israel. It also says Israel didn't allow the collection of any evidence, and still won't allow an independent investigation.

I've explained my standpoint that Israeli attrocity propaganda is being used to manufacture consent for ethic cleansing and/or genocide, and you've explained that you believe all this to be true despite the absence of credible evidence. Neither of us would further the discourse by continuing this any further, so I won't be engaging in this thread any further. Good bye.

Second, as an occupier, there are no internal border. As the United States and Israel do not recognize a Palestinian state, they did not cross a border, they broke out of their concentration camp.

“In the medicolegal assessment of available photos and videos, no tangible indications of rape could be identified,” the report concluded.

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/07/media-concocts-un-hamas-r...

What do you think Hamas firing rockets into Israel is doing?

> their lives are worth less than the ones tragically lost on October 7th?

No. Equal. We need a framework that stops cycles of retribution and saves the most lives long term. Probably imposed by an international coalition since it's easily observed that groups of people obviously respond to massacres against them with more retribution.

> As the United States and Israel do not recognize a Palestinian state, they did not cross a border, they broke out of their concentration camp.

Are you going to treat the invasion of Taiwan the same way? Since US "doesn't recognize it," it's fair game for them to butcher thousands taking Taiwan?

Concentration camp is ridiculous hyperbole. Gaza is dense overall but half of it isn't https://maps.app.goo.gl/hNEpzVno4z5n9WQH9 . Do you expect the Israeli's to currently allow Gaza to freely trade and receive as many weapons as Hamas desire? Egypt supported the blockade. October 7th would've been 5x worse. Strengthening Hamas' weapons just extends this horrid conflict. Israel was relaxing the travel restrictions and more people were border crossing until Hamas attacked. What kind of message does that send to Israel about letting their guard down?

How do you propose to fix this? You want a ceasefire and Palestinians integrated as Israeli citizens in a 1 state solution? There is no will for this from Hamas. Their 2017 charter wants 1967 borders, your "concentration camp," yet they attack outside of it.