The wikipedia article should be read as a starting point in understanding how extremely unreliable those numbers are, and how much it depend on how people define combatant and civilian.
Part of the trouble is Israel can't prove the 12,000, and no one actually believes the Hamas figures are legitimate. But there are not better figures available for either number. So 1:1 for Gaza is the best we can estimate.
So, as horrific as this war has been, I don't think the claim that this is "one of the the deadliest wars for civilians in general" holds up.
I don't think that is a true statement. Obviously it is bad for civilians in any war, but there are other conficts that have been much worse.
That's not actually true. The ratio is similar to other wars. Civilians die in war, they die a lot. War sucks. But Gaza is not unusually deadly compared to other wars.
In any case Israel is not conducting a war, they are conducting a massacre.
While the initial cause for war is obviously different, that does not justify war crimes.
I don't think western-brained folks realise how bad this looks to the rest of the world. For example to India, and the amount damage it does to the West's reputation.
Because the Russian government took Ukrainian children to raise as Russians, something without parallel in I/P.
>For example to India
Which has been unusually supportive of Israel this time.
>, and the amount damage it does to the West's reputation.
Weirdly, quiet a few of the nations making this critique were notably cool on Ukraine. Since that war predates Gaza by almost two years, either they had clairvoyance or the hypocrisy is in the other direction.
I cannot find any reference to this as a reasoning for declaring genocide. 6 countries made a declaration, and all allegations centre around rampant killing of civilians. That's the main benchmark.
> Weirdly, quiet a few of the nations making this critique were notably cool on Ukraine..hypocrisy is in the other direction.
Without googling, can you tell how many armed conflicts are going on in Africa right now?
There is horrible civil war in Sudan and nobody in the west cares. Neighbouring countries have inflows of refugees, etc. So you are perfect example of western-brain, expecting everyone in the world to have same priorities as you do.
Meanwhile we can't even hold our own companies to account, they bypass sanctions through Kazakhstan and other ex-USSR states, and none of the executives are in jail.
I haven't checked the PR statements, but the arrest warrant regarding the children includes the genocide charge[0], that's where the actual legal action centres, not around 'rampant killing'.
It's based on article 2(e) of the genocide convention: "Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."[1]. Also, Russia is doing it publicly so it's easy to prove.
[0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/17/vladimir-putin...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention#cite_ref-C...
Without googling: I know of Sudan, Congo, the Mali / subsaharan Jihadi mess (they've been sieging Timbuktu for months now?), Somalia (recently also Somaliland area) and Ethiopia (civil war with TPLF reduced, but Oromo still going on). Northern Nigeria always has something bad going on.
> In any case Israel is not conducting a war, they are conducting a massacre.
And your are basing this on what? Just your own imagination? The actual facts show a war, like all other wars. Well not like all others, this one has Jews in it, so it gets extra attention.
What's that supposed to mean?
I'll give you more clues: it's also one of the largest mass displacements of people due to war in current times, with plenty of rape and ethnic cleansing.
I will of course want to see how many comments you've posted about the topic, and how many HN submissions. Since obviously this war is many times larger than Gaza, so should command a much larger portion of your attention.
And you seem incredibly obsessed with this conflict - but no others.
If we were using a more strict definition of journalism (let's say, published on NYT), the deaths would be even greater. Perhaps in the tens of thousands. /s
We don't know that reporters are rushing into danger or hanging out where the danger is going to be.
In fact, a lot of the "reporters" who we've been watching were never war reporters to begin with. Motaz, for instance was an aspiring travel photographer. Bisan was a filmmaker. Wael was the cheif of Al-Jazera in Gaza.
They're (most likely) not seeking out death and war, they're just reporting on the condition of their city, of their people.
It also ignores 75 years of history. CPJ stated this was the deadliest conflict for journalists in the past 30 years. Reporters Without Borders has accused Israel of intentionally targeting journalists. Human Rights Watch signed a letter stating the US needed to put pressure on Israel to stop killing journalists. Amnesty international says Israel must be investigated for the war crime of killing journalists.