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Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by null0ranje on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @12:54PM (#39618691)
This sounds more about cuttings costs than anything else.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by screamingninja on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @12:59PM (#39618757)
Agreed; this will further devalue these standardized tests when the results cannot be fully trusted and stop correlating with academic success.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by gnicholas on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:48PM (#39619556)
How will this devalue the test? The only way in which the test is easier is that it's shorter, so students who lose steam toward the end will perform somewhat better. But this shorter test is dynamic, so it will still be able to assess students fairly, at all levels. In truth, it could even open the door to allowing for a higher ceiling, by offering even harder questions to students who score super well on earlier portions. That could make the test (and a coveted 1600+ score) even more trusted as a marker of academic ability/readiness.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by goryramsy on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:36PM (#39621872)
Would not 'losing steam' on a long test be indicative of motivation and also be part of the test? Remember, the test is a lot more than the questions; the test is also about pacing and focus.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by gnicholas on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:11PM (#39622364)
There is something to be said for endurance, and I admit that the new test will not test endurance as much. But I think most people don't think of the primary role of the SAT as an endurance test.

When I was in HS, we had IB tests that were much longer, and were seen as grueling tests of endurance. And after law school, I took the CA bar exam, which was at the time the only 3-day bar exam. It was (in)famous for endurance.

But do people think the SAT is measuring endurance? I don't, but perhaps others do.

One thing that won't change is any effect on pacing. The SAT previously had sections, and it will continue to have sections. You still have to pace yourself through each section. But there was never a way to pace yourself across sections, through the entire test. You had to wait until one section was done before starting the next.

Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by dandesim on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:30PM (#39619239)
This are big statements to be making with no rationale. These will still be proctored exams in person, so there is no reason to believe that cheating will increase. Additionally, there is low indicators from the start that standardized tests correlate with academic success, hence the number of higher ed institutions no longer requiring them.

People who want to cheat will always find a way to cheat. All you need to do now is go to the bathroom and lookup answers on your phone.

Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by ghaff on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:35PM (#39619329)
Standardized tests actually correlate better with academic success than a number of other measures. Some Ivies have recently been reinstituting standardized testing requirements.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by dandesim on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @06:42PM (#39623269)
That’s just straight false, or at least I have never seen any evidence showing a strong correlation. What has been shown is the negative advantage minorities, impoverished, ESL, disabled people have when taking the test and the advantages that wealthy people who can pay for tutors have.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by knightoffaith on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @08:15PM (#39623945)
>What has been shown is the negative advantage minorities, impoverished, ESL, disabled people have when taking the test and the advantages that wealthy people who can pay for tutors have.

How does this contradict the GP? This doesn't necessarily seem inconsistent with standardized tests correlating better with academic success on its face. Because I would expect that such people tend to have not just worse standardized test scores but also worse academic success (because of the advantages that wealthy people have that these people lack).

Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by dandesim on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @10:01PM (#39624622)
There is a difference between aptitude (intelligence) and academic success (grades). There is also the underlying issue of equity.

If someone with a high aptitude but low academic performance is put into a situation where they have more access to resources, they will perform better than someone with low aptitude that has the means to make up for it in their academic success.

For instance, the popular college prep hack is take the SAT three times. Study for a different section each time, and colleges will take your highest score of each section. That’s not possible without the moderate financial means to take the test multiple times.

Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by ghaff on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @06:51PM (#39623354)
ANd yet there's widespread reinstitution of standardized test requirements, see e.g. https://admissions.dartmouth.edu/apply/update-testing-policy
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by nothercastle on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:48PM (#39619550)
Doing these online will create Lots of opportunities to cheat. You guys underestimate how much money there is in cheating these tests. It’s easily worth 100k per head maybe more.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by dandesim on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @06:39PM (#39623239)
It’s worth a lot to a small subset of people, but that’s an issue today. The biggest way the group you’re referring to cheats will not be made worse by having the system online (bribe proctors, have someone else take the test, SAT training, etc.)

Your average high school student does not have thousands, let alone tens of thousands, of dollars at their disposal to cheat on the SATs.

Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by justrealist on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:34PM (#39619309)
Actually many higher ed institutions are re-instituting them this year: https://rhodeislandcurrent.com/2024/03/05/brown-shifts-back-...
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by r00fus on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:44PM (#39619491)
"Students will still take the exam at a test center or at a high school."

You're not going to be able to take this with an iPad on your couch (or with a friend/parent nearby). Likely just as draconian as today, except no pencils required.

Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by throw1234651234 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:08PM (#39618891)
I don't know why the above got downvoted - it's absolutely true. There is a reason I have to go into a testing center or sit there with my camera on with a proctor watching when taking cloud exams.

I don't see how hard it can be to keep organizing SATs once a year - plus it really does generate a shared identity, which is something we are all sorely lacking. It was a big event to go to a different school to take the SAT.

Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by r00fus on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:45PM (#39619502)
You will still go in, but it will be on a computer there.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by tehjoker on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:12PM (#39618965)
all true, but at least there will be one fewer setting students are forcibly exposed to COVID-19 in
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by DiggyJohnson on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:20PM (#39619095)
"Forcibly exposed"? Do you feel that way about anything that gathers people, especially young people, together?
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by pc86 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:19PM (#39619076)
It's 2024, the pandemic has been over for a number of years now.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by UncleSlacky on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @02:03PM (#39619808)
The "emergency phase" was declared over, however we're still in a pandemic. Most people want to pretend it's over, but nobody has told the virus.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by pc86 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @02:45PM (#39620393)
COVID is endemic. Endemic and pandemic are mutually exclusive things.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by Dylan16807 on Thursday March 07, 2024 @12:54AM (#39625472)
Physically, one is a subset of the other. It's only "mutually exclusive" from a specific (misleading) angle.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by pc86 on Thursday March 07, 2024 @08:22AM (#39628733)
What angle? I'm talking about the definitions of the words.

Pandemic: occurring over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affecting a significant proportion of the population; characterized by very widespread growth or extent

Endemic: characteristic of or prevalent in a particular field, area, or environment; a disease or outbreak of disease that is typically present in a particular region or population : an endemic disease

COVID doesn't even really qualify as endemic based on the dictionary definition, but it's certainly not a pandemic.

Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by Dylan16807 on Thursday March 07, 2024 @02:06PM (#39633253)
Wide geographic area, yes. Significant proportion of the population, yes. Very widespread growth or extent, yes (specifically the extent option).

How does it not fit the dictionary definition of pandemic?

Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by pc86 on Thursday March 07, 2024 @06:28PM (#39635918)
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home

17,310 admissions, down 10.3% week over week

2.1% of deaths, down 8.7% WOW

1.5% of ED visits, down 14.6% WOW

7.4% of tests are positive, down 0.9% WOW

None of those numbers indicate growth. None of those numbers indicate a significant proportion of the population. I'll give you geography, but that's also characteristic of an endemic illness - distributed across a large geographic region among a small percentage of the population with relatively little impact.

Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by Dylan16807 on Friday March 08, 2024 @12:58AM (#39638215)
Notice how I didn't say growth, since it bounces up and down. And that looks like a significant proportion to me.

If your argument is that these numbers are not enough for "very widespread extent", then are you saying it was never a pandemic to begin with?

And you already said it was endemic. Are you arguing that a pandemic needs bigger numbers than that?

Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by pc86 on Friday March 08, 2024 @03:30PM (#39646010)
You didn't say growth but the definition of pandemic is "characterized by very widespread growth or extent."

98.5% of ED visits are for something else. What would that number have been in 2020 or 2021?

Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by Dylan16807 on Saturday March 09, 2024 @12:22AM (#39649590)
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/us/covid-cases.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

The severity has dropped more than the prevalence.

Hospitalizations suggest that in the US the peak in Jan 2024 was around 80% as big as Jan 2023. If that's accurate, then Jan 2024 had more cases per day than most of 2020 and a good chunk of 2021. That's a lot of extent. There had been 120 thousand cases in the entire world when pandemic was originally declared, and the US is currently doing a multiple of that each week.

Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by ribosometronome on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:23PM (#39619141)
Because the disease became endemic, yes.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by iraqmtpizza on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:37PM (#39619367)
You were forcibly exposed to things other than your favorite brand of organic soda too
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by orochimaaru on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @06:27PM (#39623116)
I have news for you. That ship has sailed and all kids have had multiple infections of the virus.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by gnicholas on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:32PM (#39619288)
How does this cut costs? I would think they'll be spending a ton on online security and such. Imagine the fallout if this is hacked or goes down on test day. They will save some money on proctoring, since the exam is much shorter in duration.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by goryramsy on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:39PM (#39621918)
It would not surprise me if the test was delayed last minute due to a security issue. I've seen firsthand the level of security in the testing application, and it is worryingly lacking. Did you know that they literally link 'desmos.com/calculator' as the calculator in the math section? That's opening the door to all sorts of security issues. And they're certainly saving money, the digital is the same cost as the paper[1].

[1] https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/sat/help-center/students/p...

Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by gnicholas on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @06:36PM (#39623197)
They've already rolled out in international testing, but yeah the comments here make me think there are going to be some massive cheating if they don't tighten things up.

"you are not allowed to bring any electronics into the testing center (except a computer that you own, possibly running a VM)!" isn't likely to deter cheaters.

Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by cpncrunch on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @12:57PM (#39618728)
It sounds like efficiency.
Re:U.S. students will take the SAT online by nsriv on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:00PM (#39618770)
Anybody that's taken a proctored online exam in high schools knows that this is absolutely not about efficiency. With universities rolling back test-optional pandemic policies, the College Board is likely to raise the price of exams and drive down the cost of administering them by gutting support. I'd predict more frequent exam dates once people have absorbed the price increase. Driving that velocity requires online administration.