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Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by dkjaudyeqooe on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @11:23PM (#39612286)
The difference is OpenAI had a reputation to protect, Musk can't sink any lower at this point, and his stans will persist.

The fact that they slinging mud at each other just proves the mutual criticism though, and provides an edifying spectacle for the rest of us.

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by blackoil on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @12:21AM (#39612600)
> The difference is OpenAI had a reputation to protect

OpenAI changed its stance about five years ago. In meanwhile they got billions in investment, hired best employees, created very successful product and took leadership position in AI. Only narrative remaining was that they somehow betrayed original donors by moving away from the charter. This shows that is not the case; original donor(s) are equally megalomaniac and don't give a fuck about the charter.

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by TheAlchemist on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @01:30AM (#39612935)
> Musk can't sink any lower at this point, and his stans will persist.

You sure about that ?

For now they are largely looking away (and boy it's hard !) from his 'far right' adventures. But it was just reported that he met with Trump. And it's pretty clear that if Trump is elected and does cancel EV subsides as he says he will do, Tesla is dead and he knows it.

So now, we have both of those guys, having something each other wants - Trump wants Musks money now, and Musk wants ... taxpayer money once Trump is elected. I bet, Musk reputation can and will go much much lower in coming months.

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by zarathustreal on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:26AM (#39614008)
Just a word of advice regarding the effect of associating with Trump: don’t make the mistake of thinking everyone holds the same opinion as you
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by yellow_lead on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:43AM (#39614495)
The effect of sucking up to someone who previously said this about you might be even worse:

"When Elon Musk came to the White House asking me for help on all of his many subsidized projects, whether it's electric cars that don't drive long enough, driverless cars that crash, or rocketships to nowhere, without which subsidies he'd be worthless, and telling me how he was a big Trump fan and Republican..."

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by dkarras on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:13AM (#39613926)
I mean his standing is based on what he is capable of, not what he does given the circumstance. We know he would side with Trump if it benefits him. I don't need to see the scenario play out for me to judge him for it.
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by averageRoyalty on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:57AM (#39614216)
> if Trump is elected and does cancel EV subsides as he says he will do, Tesla is dead

You know that Tesla operates outside the US as well, right? Where 95% of the worlds population live?

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by TheAlchemist on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @06:59AM (#39614975)
I know, yes. But US still account for a very big share of their revenues.

Check what happens to Tesla sales when countries cut EV subsides. New Zealand did it in January. Here is the data:

https://evdb.nz/ev-stats

The truth is, without subsides, Tesla would sell a fraction of what it does now, and it would certainly not be profitable (hell, it probably won't be profitable in 2024, even with the subsides !).

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by nebula8804 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:39PM (#39622688)
But at the same time, tear downs of their cars show they have healthy 30% margins when their competitors are selling their EVs often at a loss. Their current balance sheet looks much better than their competitors given the assets that they have for the EV transition. If governments are serious about transitioning to EVs then either they kick the other car companies into gear or accept that Tesla(and the Chinese) will be the only real serious players.
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by cactusplant7374 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:27AM (#39614411)
And they face fierce competition from BYD. Things are not getting any easier despite Musk saying "legacy" can't keep up.
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by simondotau on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @08:57AM (#39616009)
BYD isn’t legacy.
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by cactusplant7374 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @03:04PM (#39620665)
Musk isn't talking about BYD as legacy.
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by simondotau on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @04:55PM (#39622158)
Musk isn’t saying BYD can’t keep up.
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by decafninja on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @10:27AM (#39616959)
His 'stans and TLSA uber-bulls insist Tesla is no longer a car company but an AI one. So they probably don't care anymore.

I know some uber-bulls have long insisted Tesla stop selling cars to the public so they can be horded for the imminent Robotaxi fleet that will soon be deployed en masse by 2020.

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by TheCaptain4815 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @09:51AM (#39616532)
Nothing you wrote has a spec of evidence. The current administration has been clearly targeting Elon Musk and Tesla/SpaceX, so why on earth wouldn't Elon support their opponents?
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by dkjaudyeqooe on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @12:14PM (#39618187)
Nothing you wrote has a spec of evidence.
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by retinaros on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @06:03PM (#39622886)
everyone with a logical mind would see it. your political opinion should not cloud your judgement… people like you are the reason we have a senile old man leading our world to wars. I cant fathom why americans hate trump so much but are so lenient of biden and democrats that sent us to the worst conflict the world has seen in decades
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by timeon on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @10:03AM (#39616703)
> as he says he will do

Depends if there really is business clash between ICE donors and Musk.

What is promised to public is not important if your voters are true believers.

Same for Musk, he can spin anything to his believers as well.

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by dkjaudyeqooe on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @12:13PM (#39618178)
Musk is a vindictive child and he has an axe to grind against Biden and the "woke" left. You'd think he wouldn't do something self defeating because of some slight but he turned $40 nillion into $10 billion buying Twitter for the stupidest reasons.
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by shrimp_emoji on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @12:14PM (#39618186)
Based
Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by nebula8804 on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @05:35PM (#39622647)
If your life was changed by investing in TSLA you will look the other way the rest of your life. For many millennials that was their ticket to a good life.

His detractors do a poor job of knocking him down a peg. I am speaking as someone who was there on day 0 of r/realTesla.

Even today with garbage like that recent 60 minutes hit piece on SpaceX, it is easy to dismiss because of all the easily disprovable claims. So much criticism on Musk is just so lazily produced and not properly vetted and its a shame because there is a ton of material to get him with.

Re:OpenAI and Elon Musk by tr3ntg on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @10:44AM (#39617129)
I was struggling to put words to my thoughts here, but you nailed it.

It doesn’t make sense to engage in a public spat with someone who has such a negative reputation. Staying silent would have made more sense.

Posting it publicly is an odd and very unprofessional move. I can imagine Satya doesn’t like this blog post.