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Re:Sell your startup for half a billion and get nothing (2021) by gnicholas on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @02:54AM (#39600524)
Yep, although the qualified small business stock exemption comes in handy if/when that happens. You get to exempt a percentage of the gain of the sale of your stock, and if you roll over the gain into other QSBS (by investing in startups, for example), you can defer the non-exempted portion.
Re:Sell your startup for half a billion and get nothing (2021) by noduerme on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @04:57AM (#39601356)
Or just be like Peter Thiel and do all your angel investing through your Roth IRA...

https://www.propublica.org/article/lord-of-the-roths-how-tec...

Re:Sell your startup for half a billion and get nothing (2021) by navane on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @05:37AM (#39601648)
He bought gambling stock with his retirement fund, struck gold, and now has 5bn untaxed in a US account?
Re:Sell your startup for half a billion and get nothing (2021) by vitus on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @06:58AM (#39602233)
He bought 1.7 million founders' shares of Paypal (then Confinity, which he cofounded and was CEO of at the time) for under $2000. These are terms you would never offer to an investor, that you'd never offer to an employee.

For comparison, the SEC filing for Paypal's IPO has Thiel Capital investing a bridge loan of $100k in 1998 which was then converted into 500 thousand shares (100x higher valuation than his individual "purchase" the following month).

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1103415/000091205702...

From the ProPublica article, re: why this was problematic:

> Thiel’s unusual stock purchase risked running afoul of rules designed to prevent IRAs from becoming illegal tax shelters. Investors aren’t allowed to buy assets for less than their true value through an IRA. The practice is sometimes known as “stuffing” because it gets around the strict limits imposed by Congress on how much money can be put in a Roth.

Re:Sell your startup for half a billion and get nothing (2021) by ComputerGuru on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @12:58PM (#39606953)
So which loophole let him get away with it?
Re:Sell your startup for half a billion and get nothing (2021) by vitus on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @11:47PM (#39612428)
Longstanding underfunding of the IRS, if I had to guess? It's much more expensive and time-consuming to go after wealthy tax cheats than, say, people incorrectly claiming the earned income tax credit. The ProPublica article states that Thiel was indeed audited in 2011, but the audit was eventually closed with no known outcome.
Re:Sell your startup for half a billion and get nothing (2021) by dgfitz on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @07:04AM (#39602278)
Yeah, more or less