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Re:AWS acquires Talen's 960MW nuclear data center campus in ... by toast0 on Monday March 04, 2024 @08:36PM (#39598413)
Depends on what the data center does, and what time period we're considering. 1990s data centers probably didn't have very dynamic power consumption, as 1990s computers generally didn't.

A modern datacenter serving some consumer facing service likely sees a big difference in cpu usage and thus power usage between peak and off peak.

Otoh, if it's doing non-interactive data processing, it could be near 100% capacity consistently.

Personally, I'm guessing AWS has a noticable peak and trough on power. But if it makes sense, they do have the spot market which could be used to attract or repel load in order to hit a consumption target.

Re:AWS acquires Talen's 960MW nuclear data center campus in ... by schoen on Monday March 04, 2024 @10:52PM (#39599225)
I still remember hearing and myself promoting the concept of "idle computing capacity" in the 1990s (because of the idea that computers would consume the same resources whether or not they were actively running jobs).

https://hbr.org/2001/03/harnessing-the-power-of-idle-compute...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed.net

For a while I was in charge of the EFF Cooperating Computing Award. When it was announced, the announcement said

> However, the computer industry produces millions of new computers each year, which sit idle much of the time, running screen savers or waiting for the user to do something. EFF is encouraging people to pool their computing power over the Internet, to work together to share this massive resource.

That was in the 1990s. :-)

It's funny to think of just how inaccurate this became for subsequent CPU and chipset architecture, I guess because of convergent trends in customers wanting to save power for ecological, financial, and mobile device battery life reasons.

Re:AWS acquires Talen's 960MW nuclear data center campus in ... by narnarpapadaddy on Monday March 04, 2024 @11:31PM (#39599470)
I enjoyed this self-aware and reflective insight. Thanks for sharing.
Re:AWS acquires Talen's 960MW nuclear data center campus in ... by actionfromafar on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @04:30AM (#39601167)
Yeah, it was so weird when CPUs started sprouting first heat sinks, then fans over the heat sinks. :-)
Re:AWS acquires Talen's 960MW nuclear data center campus in ... by simne on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @02:34PM (#39620233)
> how inaccurate this became for subsequent CPU and chipset architecture

You are right. My previous computer was AMD Athlon, and even it near halved consumption when idle.

Modern machines extremely power saving, because desktop CPUs shared many features from Notebook platforms (for example speed step frequency change), and I see more than 6x difference of consumption of whole machine, even when I myself too conservative to use sleep/idle modes, because some programs don't behave adequate in such environment.

Re:AWS acquires Talen's 960MW nuclear data center campus in ... by itronitron on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @02:10AM (#39600274)
Seems like it would also be useful to 'make ice' for later use if power consumption would otherwise dip too low.
Re:AWS acquires Talen's 960MW nuclear data center campus in ... by Turing_Machine on Tuesday March 05, 2024 @11:48PM (#39612434)
> Personally, I'm guessing AWS has a noticable peak and trough on power. But if it makes sense, they do have the spot market which could be used to attract or repel load in order to hit a consumption target.

Sure. Even for the on-demand stuff they have a vested interest in reducing power consumption as much as they can.

They charge the customers a flat rate per hour, so every joule they can cut out is money in their pocket.

It would be different if they were charging the customers by the kwH or something.