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Re:Why Do East Asian Firms Value Drinking? by ofrzeta on Sunday March 03, 2024 @02:28PM (#39583607)
Drinkers also don't like having teetotalers around them because of the bad conscience they induce.
Re:Why Do East Asian Firms Value Drinking? by parpfish on Sunday March 03, 2024 @03:30PM (#39584249)
Another part of it is that (imo) one of the biggest boons from group drinking is that it builds trust by giving people something to bond over — you’ve all imbibed to lower your inhibitions and get a little sloppy/loose, and the next day you see that you’re still accepted and part of the group.

Teetotalers might be there physically, but they’ve opted out of the shared experience of making themselves vulnerable.

Re:Why Do East Asian Firms Value Drinking? by tombert on Sunday March 03, 2024 @05:13PM (#39585040)
I mean, I didn't really "opt out". I don't breath properly when I sleep, alcohol makes it worse, the doctor more or less made the decision for me.

But I suppose alcohol is bad for basically everyone, and the others opt in to that risk as well.

Re:Why Do East Asian Firms Value Drinking? by gedy on Monday March 04, 2024 @11:59AM (#39592696)
> you’ve all imbibed to lower your inhibitions and get a little sloppy/loose, and the next day you see that you’re still accepted and part of the group.

In west coast tech companies with young people of both sexes, I absolutely refuse to drink due to not wanting to be accused of harassment or inappropriate behavior. I'm not a creep, but am older and not really attractive and am treated to a different standard.

Sounds paranoid but have had coworkers accused, penalized, or fired after these events.

Re:Why Do East Asian Firms Value Drinking? by parpfish on Monday March 04, 2024 @01:50PM (#39594323)
i don't know... if getting a bit of a buzz leads to you doing things that are interpreted as inappropriate, maybe there's some bigger underlying issues about understanding what's appropriate.
Re:Why Do East Asian Firms Value Drinking? by gedy on Monday March 04, 2024 @05:06PM (#39596781)
Well the OP mentioned "lower your inhibitions and get a little sloppy/loose", and I mention double standards depending on the person.

I've seen outings in Asia where there's lots of non-sexual touching, arm around shoulders etc, and yet that would be like insta-problem between sexes on the west coast. Getting buzzed means you aren't on high alert for this sort of thing, hence I'll nope out of putting myself in this situation.

Re:Why Do East Asian Firms Value Drinking? by ToucanLoucan on Sunday March 03, 2024 @02:41PM (#39583735)
Speak for yourself. I am a fervent enjoyer of booze, and I feel absolutely nothing in the presence of people who don't drink. Partake in whatever you want to have a good time, be it a drink, or a smoke, or absolutely nothing and as long as you're happy, we'll get along a-okay.