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Re:The Crisis at Google by throwaway343233 on Saturday March 02, 2024 @11:45PM (#39578479)
Sundar needs to go, period. All these articles undersell how bad the morale is at Google right now. It has been unpopular change after unpopular change, and Googlers have zero trust in the leadership. There's zero psychological safety anymore, and the environment is basically like this[1], but actually worse because even the "sister" teams in the same org are being very territorial.

I don't think the next person is going to be better (because they'll be appointed by the very same board), but Google needs a change at the top.

[1] https://www.globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/201...

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Re:The Crisis at Google by satvikpendem on Saturday March 02, 2024 @11:56PM (#39578522)
Why would he go? Based on the stock price (which is what the board looks at when finding a new CEO), he's doing amazingly. It sucks for employees but unfortunately they have no say in how their CEO is chosen.
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Re:The Crisis at Google by yaeng54 on Sunday March 03, 2024 @01:16AM (#39578877)
The stock doing well doesn't seem to actually suck for employees paid largely with stock grants. At least I suppose many on the outside will be thinking that as they question why the employees are complaining so much.
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Re:The Crisis at Google by satvikpendem on Sunday March 03, 2024 @01:34AM (#39578956)
Indeed, by that metric he's doing quite well.
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Re:The Crisis at Google by jsnell on Sunday March 03, 2024 @03:30AM (#39579409)
The share price isn't doing well though. Their peer companies have been growing in value faster on both short and long timescales. Their P/E is also quite low compared not only to other big tech companies, but even large companies in general.

And that's at a time when Google should have been doing a victory lap, as a decade of bleeding edge research into AI pays off.

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Re:The Crisis at Google by glimshe on Sunday March 03, 2024 @03:31AM (#39579412)
He is not doing amazingly based on the stock price. We can't compare Google to General Motors or Procter & Gamble, we have to compare it with Microsoft, Meta, NVIDIA, Apple, Amazon, etc which are companies in businesses adjacent to Google. When looking at its peers, Google is mediocre at best.
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Re:The Crisis at Google by satvikpendem on Sunday March 03, 2024 @03:34AM (#39579424)
150% since he took the CEO role is quite substantial.
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Re:The Crisis at Google by bananapub on Sunday March 03, 2024 @04:53AM (#39579758)
er what?

he's been CEO for 9 years, in the hottest tech market in history, taking over probably the most successful tech company in history.

it's also apparently ~less than the S&P return from 2015 - 2023: https://www.officialdata.org/us/stocks/s-p-500/2015?amount=1...

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Re:The Crisis at Google by O1111OOO on Sunday March 03, 2024 @08:24PM (#39586152)
> All these articles undersell how bad the morale is at Google right now... Googlers have zero trust in the leadership.

Not being combative but how would you know?

The articles that have come out have been as opinionated. Many like to see a company they dislike, fail in some way. Many others who view Google pushing an agenda can also being pushing their own agenda. It's hard to say what motivates people to make unfounded statements.

Are you in a position within Google to quantify the statements you've made?

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