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Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by debacle on Friday March 01, 2024 @11:53AM (#39563690)
A non-profit can have a for-profit subsidiary?
Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by Kranar on Friday March 01, 2024 @12:11PM (#39563916)
Absolutely, Mozilla is another relevant example where the Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit that owns the Mozilla Corporation, which is for-profit. Furthermore many non-profits also buy shares of for-profit corporations, for example the Gates Foundation owns a large chunk of Microsoft.

You can imagine a non-profit buying enough shares of a for-profit company that it can appoint the for-profit company's board of directors, at which point it's a subsidiary.

Heck a non-profit is even allowed and encouraged to make a profit. There are certainly rules about what non-profits can and can't do, but the big rule is that a non-profit can't distribute its profits, ie. pay out a dividend. It must demonstrate that their expenditures support their tax exempt status, but the for-profit subsidiary is more than welcome to pay out dividends or engage in activities that serve private interests.

Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by yanokwa on Friday March 01, 2024 @11:58AM (#39563759)
Yup! Mozilla uses this very structure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation
Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by timeon on Friday March 01, 2024 @03:13PM (#39566261)
Even better example is IKEA.
Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by nicce on Friday March 01, 2024 @07:14PM (#39568476)
Wait, what?
Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by alickz on Friday March 01, 2024 @12:05PM (#39563842)
I had the same question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38332460

Apparently a non-profit can own all the shares of a for-profit

Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by biccboii on Friday March 01, 2024 @12:29PM (#39564191)
why doesn't everyone do this? take all that sweet investor money without having to give anything then have a for profit subsidiary....
Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by deaddodo on Friday March 01, 2024 @03:51PM (#39566650)
Because most corporate investments aren't managed by complete morons.

This works when there's an obvious non-profit that has a monetizable product. The latter conflicts with the former, so it requires a disconnect. Meanwhile, if Apple tried to do the same, investors would look at that as obviously shady. In addition, non-profits are more heavily restricted by the government.

Lastly, you can't just "take the money" and "do what you want"; fraud, malfeasance, fiduciary responsibility (in the corporate entity), etc still exist. It's not some magic get out of jail free card.

Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by jraph on Friday March 01, 2024 @11:58AM (#39563758)
This would be the case of Mozilla (The Mozilla Foundation owns the Mozilla Corporation)
Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by deaddodo on Friday March 01, 2024 @11:56AM (#39563732)
Yes.
Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by whimsicalism on Friday March 01, 2024 @12:04PM (#39563836)
yes, common and why not? i dont think most people here know what non profits are or actually do
Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by manquer on Friday March 01, 2024 @11:57AM (#39563746)
Mozilla has been doing that for 20 years ?
Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by blcknight on Friday March 01, 2024 @11:55AM (#39563716)
Yes
Re:Musk sues Altman seeking a return to open source and non-... by jiggawatts on Friday March 01, 2024 @07:11PM (#39568458)
A surprising one I came across was a group of government departments that collectively controlled a "shell" government agency that ran a non-profit that owned a for-profit Pty Ltd which had over 1K staff.

It was a "legal fiction" to sidestep union rules, government employment regulations, etc...

This let them hire IT staff at market rates, because otherwise they couldn't pay them a competitive wage as normal public servants working directly for the departments.