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Re:Goodbye, CouchDB by scott_s on Thursday May 10, 2012 @01:45PM (#3954841)
Which is a completely superficial connection with no relationship to the actual semantics.
Re:Goodbye, CouchDB by AlisdairO on Thursday May 10, 2012 @02:13PM (#3955008)
Very true. I'm tempted to argue that SQL's English-like syntax was a mistake, but only because I think it makes people think you don't really need to learn it. It's frustrating to see people trash something when they don't even properly understand it - a lot of the database-related blog posts I've seen make the front page of HN would be shot down if they were similarly misinformed about a language like Javascript.

I'm not by any means saying that the NoSQL movement as a whole is a fad - there's good motivations behind some of these products - but a lot of people who are just ignorant also seem to have hopped onto the bandwagon.

Re:Goodbye, CouchDB by scott_s on Thursday May 10, 2012 @02:29PM (#3955117)
That was an issue I had with the post: how can "non-relational" be a good thing about CouchDB? If you have relational data, then there's an entire theory (relational algebra) behind ways to interact with it that have clearly defined semantics. I can see that one may decide they don't need that, but I don't see how it's absence can be a good thing. Being non-relational frees CouchDB to provide different kinds of capabilities, but it's those capabilities that are a good thing, not the lack of being relational itself.

Rather, I think the author has confused "relational" with a lot of other properties of relational databased management systems - such as transactions and data integrity guarantees.

Re:Goodbye, CouchDB by sah on Thursday May 10, 2012 @02:58PM (#3955272)
You're right that I was lumping transactions and data integrity guarantees in with "relational". I was thinking about normalization, and protecting data integrity in ways that lead to joins and transactions.
Re:Goodbye, CouchDB by itaborai83 on Thursday May 10, 2012 @03:30PM (#3955467)
You made me think about something. A CoffeeScript like approach to build a saner language that would sit atop SQL would be something definitely worth having. Maybe this could be the start of the "OnSQL" movement. Just my thoughts.
Re:Goodbye, CouchDB by scott_s on Thursday May 10, 2012 @08:40PM (#3956943)
Re:Goodbye, CouchDB by j-kidd on Friday May 11, 2012 @07:08AM (#3958625)
Well, SQLAlchemy is designed just for that. In the words of the author:

> Like "power steering" for SQL. Doesn't teach you how to drive!

Re:Goodbye, CouchDB by DennisP on Thursday May 10, 2012 @07:05PM (#3956627)
Being able to parameterize table and column names in queries would be a big help.
Re:Goodbye, CouchDB by itaborai83 on Friday May 11, 2012 @10:37AM (#3959374)
It could have a sharding aware data definition language and some support for "on-the-fly" data migrations.