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Re:Heat Pumps Take on Cold Climates by electric_mayhem on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @11:21AM (#39525894)
As someone who switched four years ago to a heat pump plus conventional furnace, I can state from experience that my thermostat takes electricity cost per kWh and gas cost per therm (other units are available, these are just the ones that match my utility bills) and efficiency of both the heat pump and furnace and runs whichever is cheaper.

Gas cost has varied a bunch over the years I’ve had it, electricity less so. But the furnace has only run a few days per year and only when when it’s been (depending on gas cost) below 10 to -5 degrees Fahrenheit.

My heat pump (trane xv19) kicks ass and if I were doing the hvac upgrade again I’d skip the furnace entirely and let the heat pump work a little harder/longer on the coldest days.

It’s damned near always more cost-efficient to run the heat pump. And my shiny new high efficiency furnace will never, ever pay itself off saving me a few bucks a day the three or four days per year that the math works in its favor.

Re:Heat Pumps Take on Cold Climates by solardev on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @11:27AM (#39525984)
It really depends on your area's natural gas vs electricity prices, which can vary wildly.

Electricity can range from 11¢/kWh to 29¢/kWh in California or higher: https://www.energybot.com/electricity-rates/

Natural gas ranges from (converted) ~ 2¢/kWh to 8¢/kWh in Florida: https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/natural-gas/prices.php (using conversion factors from https://www.nrg.com/resources/energy-tools/energy-conversion..., which I think assumes 1000 ft^3 ~= 1 therm ~= 29.3 kWh)

So your heat pump's COP has to exceed the ratio between natural gas and electricity in your area to make it cost-effective (or you can get solar + battery backup).

Electricity prices can vary quite a bit, too... in Cali, for example, it's gone up from 14¢ to 24¢ over 16 years, which is nearly double the rate of inflation.

Re:Heat Pumps Take on Cold Climates by throw0101b on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @12:46PM (#39527030)
> As someone who switched four years ago to a heat pump plus conventional furnace, I can state from experience that my thermostat takes electricity cost per kWh and gas cost per therm […]

What is the make and model of the thermostat you are using?

Is it from the heat pump OEM (Trane?) or a third party?

Re:Heat Pumps Take on Cold Climates by electric_mayhem on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @06:09PM (#39531488)
Trane xl1050.

It’s a rebranded Nexia

Re:Heat Pumps Take on Cold Climates by throw0101b on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @07:04AM (#39536813)
"Dual Fuel Calculator" on page 15 (§5.3.8):

* https://www.bayareaservice.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/18...

Re:Heat Pumps Take on Cold Climates by voisin on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @11:13PM (#39533908)
Can you give more detail about your system and in particular the thermostat that makes these adjustments? Sounds interesting!
Re:Heat Pumps Take on Cold Climates by hazmazlaz on Wednesday February 28, 2024 @08:58AM (#39537961)
Seconded, I also want to know the model of thermostat they're using!
Re:Heat Pumps Take on Cold Climates by electric_mayhem on Thursday February 29, 2024 @01:31PM (#39553100)
Heat pump is a Trane XV19 and the thermostat is an xl 1050 (supposedly trane but my understanding is it’s a rebranded Nexia)

The process to update the costs (which has to be done a few times per year when my utility changes their rates) is not very user friendly - have to get into the technician menus and change scary looking stuff) but it works quite well.