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Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a... by raybb on Monday February 26, 2024 @10:53AM (#39512674)
Barcelona to Madrid flights are around 10-20 euros and 1.5 hours (in the air).

The train is 20-100ish euros and takes about 2.5 hours. Though many trains are a hair over 2.5 hours so maybe that's exempt from this plan.

Wonder what leads to trains costing more than flights like that.

Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a... by verzali on Monday February 26, 2024 @12:18PM (#39513973)
Speaking from experience, the 10-20 euro fares are not always available on flights. But then again, cheap fares are not always available on the trains either, especially at the times most people want to travel (Friday or Sunday evenings, etc). Also flying takes longer because the airports are not as central as the train stations, and you need to go through more luggage checks, board with more time to spare etc.

I think competition has helped drive down flight prices, and since they opened the Madrid-Barcelona high speed line to competition prices have dropped a lot for the train as well. If you compare Madrid-Barcelona to Madrid-Sevilla for example, the price difference is really high and much more than the distance would imply.

Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a... by georgeplusplus on Monday February 26, 2024 @12:50PM (#39514467)
Train systems are basically governement monopolies and thus run super inefficiently.
Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a... by palata on Monday February 26, 2024 @03:50PM (#39516634)
Public transports should be public.

Government monopolies don't have to run super inefficiently, and many times they don't. Also look at how many private companies fail (especially startups): private companies are not a safer bet.

Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a... by ThePowerOfFuet on Monday February 26, 2024 @03:15PM (#39516253)
Not in Europe they're not; thanks to Open Access you have your choice of three different companies to take a train between Madrid and Barcelona, only one of which is the state carrier.
Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a... by georgeplusplus on Wednesday March 06, 2024 @11:33AM (#39617657)
Oh please, Tell me how much public funding those other two companies receive. I dont count a company that cannot survive without government funding as a private company.
Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a... by beretguy on Monday February 26, 2024 @11:21AM (#39513115)
That pricing feels backwards.
Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a... by chgs on Monday February 26, 2024 @12:51PM (#39514475)
Airlines don’t pay their externalities
Re:Spain's plan to ban domestic flights where you can take a... by bsder on Monday February 26, 2024 @02:05PM (#39515514)
It may feel backwards, but it is real.

While we never saw the 20 Euro airplane fares, for some reason the train fares were almost always more 20-50 Euros more expensive than the plane fares given the same lead times.

It was quite irritating.