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Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by theultdev on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:05AM (#39509897)
It's an evolutionary advantage for humans today.

There's a reason ADHD articles are shared profusely here.

Information moves faster these days, you need ADHD to process it efficiently and hyper-focus on long tasks.

Those who can do that naturally become developers.

You just have to workaround social norms like work schedules.

Helps to own your own business or at least work remotely.

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by hashmal on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:14AM (#39509962)
* ADHD doesn't mean you can hop from X to Y to Z superfast/efficiently while remembering anything meaningful.

* Hyperfocus isn't a spell you can cast at whatever task at hand. It happens only when you're really into a given topic... And ADHD tends to push you to procrastinate on things you like a lot: you end-up in hyper-procrastination mode.

Above points can be used to your advantage with great benefit, but it's not automatic. Some people with ADHD compensate intuitively and do impressive stuff, others need medication just to get out of bed. Both of these extremes can be the same person at different times.

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by theultdev on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:18AM (#39509986)
You can learn how to hack your stubborn brain and take advantage of the waves of motivation.

Stimulates are a instant gratification solution, but man take those all the time and you will be pretty damn irritable and mentally tired after awhile.

It's natural for "ADHD" people to work in waves. Long sprints and rest in between. I know it's popular to advocate drugging yourself, but people reach for that too quickly.

Society is the problem, not them.

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by dailykoder on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:32AM (#39510069)
>It's natural for "ADHD" people to work in waves. Long sprints and rest in between. I know it's popular to advocate drugging yourself, but people reach for that too quickly.

>Society is the problem, not them.

I wish it was that easy. It's not. ADHD is an extremely broad spectrum. There are some habits which CAN bring me into hyperfocus, but they don't work all the time.

What do you mean by people reach to fast for stimulants? Coffee and energy drinks basically have the same effect as methylphenidate on me, they just don't last as long.

Before my diagnosis I was always flabbergasted that people were so astonished as I told them that coffee and energy drinks bring me down. Now I know the reason why. But in the end reducing my coffee and energy consumption, but taking meds in a controled way works a lot better for me. But I also know people where meds don't work at all (in a beneficial way). There is really no way to sum up "ADHD people". It's just way to nuanced.

Edit: I am literally sitting in the office right now, hyperfocusing on the weird typing frequency of my neighbour and just can't put on my headphones and start coding. I would even try to hear that with my noise cancelling headphones on. Gotta get up now, take a short walk and hopefully when i come back i can start.

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by theultdev on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:37AM (#39510120)
Like I said to someone else, I never said it was simple.

It can be beneficial. Depends on how you handle your brain.

And yes I was mainly talking about harder stimulants, they do have side effects, like irritability.

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by Arcanum-XIII on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:35AM (#39510096)
Nope, you can't with ADHD. My interest will be there on random subject, not the one I would select.

And stimulant kind of help. They're not magic... you have to use therapy, exercise, meditation, organisation to cope. Fun. That's maybe why people can be irritable under medication (and which kind... people react differently to very similar molecules so...)

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by viraptor on Monday February 26, 2024 @07:00AM (#39510291)
> You can learn how to hack your stubborn brain

You may be able to. This is not universally true.

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by theultdev on Monday February 26, 2024 @07:02AM (#39510307)
I'm sorry, where did I say everyone would be capable of learning how?

It's something you can learn how to do, but just like many things you can learn, not everyone will.

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by viraptor on Monday February 26, 2024 @07:10AM (#39510360)
When you wrote "you can" which implies that everyone can, but not everyone will. I'm saying that not everyone is able to do that step.
Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by JohnBooty on Monday February 26, 2024 @08:44AM (#39511149)

     but man take those all the time and you will be pretty 
     damn irritable and mentally tired after awhile.
No argument there.

     It's natural for "ADHD" people to work in waves. Long 
     sprints and rest in between. I know it's popular to 
     advocate drugging yourself, but people reach for that too quickly.
This is easy to say, but there are a variety of reasons why not everybody (and in fact, most people) can't precisely tailor their lives to meet the whims of the ADHD brain. Even entrepreneurship has lots of "boring" stuff that you have to simply plow through to get to the interesting stuff.
Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by hashmal on Monday February 26, 2024 @09:15AM (#39511421)
I did not intent to advocate for any solution (drug-based of otherwise), just tried to say that ADHD covers a wide spectrum of situations.

Some won't be able to "hack" their brain for motivation (which, btw, comes from doing something in the first place), some will. Some will react well do medication (compounds, amounts…), some others won't. There is also CBT.

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by viraptor on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:18AM (#39509985)
It's not that simple. I mostly got rid of my ADD and haven't noticed any disadvantages beyond learned behaviours that are not productive anymore. You definitely don't need ADHD to keep up with information - for me it's easier without. I can jump between topics, but can also choose not to - that was not an option before.

The occasional hyperfocus is not necessarily helpful either - hours of sleep sacrificed to continue doing something fun are not a great outcome.

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by theultdev on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:21AM (#39510006)
I never said it was simple. Just that it's a trait that can give great benefit.

Anecdotal of course, as is yours. But everyone handles their brain differently.

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by viraptor on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:29AM (#39510052)
It would be interesting to hear more feedback about it from people who experienced both sides. Hopefully there's going to be many more over time. I'm becoming a bit sceptical regarding the advantages, but there's a lot of confounding variables there.
Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by theultdev on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:33AM (#39510076)
As I see it, if you can make it an advantage and make your environment nice, keep it.

If not, take the stimulants and see if that lasts long-term.

No need to assume either way for anyone.

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by viraptor on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:42AM (#39510152)
FTR, There's also a number of choices beyond simulants.
Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by Filligree on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:11AM (#39509942)
It can be an advantage; it certainly isn't so at all times.

But you're right that most of the disadvantages stem from other people, and aren't inherent. It's more than a bit annoying.

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by theultdev on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:14AM (#39509958)
The inverse is true as well, not having ADHD can be a disadvantage, especially for developers.

(trying to stay focused on a long task or figure something out quickly skimming through things)

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by dailykoder on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:34AM (#39510085)
That's what you'd think when you hear people talk about hyperfocus. But trust me, you don't want to have ADHD. You only want to have the good sides of it.
Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by theultdev on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:34AM (#39510094)
Trust me, I do.

Bad side is I get a pizza and bed day.

Good side is I have fun coding for 18 hours and get a week of work done.

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by dailykoder on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:41AM (#39510148)
Yeah but that's the point. The spectrum is way too broad. For some people that's their daily life.

For me it's either I get paralyzed and depressed for a week or two and basically can't get anything done. Or I kinda work "normal" (maybe just being a lot faster than neurotypical people, but certainly not longer). 18 hour hyperfocus sessions only occour every few months for me.

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by theultdev on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:46AM (#39510184)
Agreed, I was mainly responding to the "trust me you don't want it"

I realize others have a differing degrees and handling of it.

Thus you can't say whether one individual "wants" it or not.

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by tailspin2019 on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:10AM (#39509939)
> Helps to own your own business or at least work remotely.

I wonder how many ADHDers learnt this during COVID. It may have been the first opportunity for some to experience this and perhaps realise that they can work more effectively in a different environment (which they have more control over).

Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by andybak on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:37AM (#39510123)
Absolutely. Lockdown was a complete revelation to me. The removal of FOMO and the narrowing of options was incredibly beneficial.
Re:ADHD could have been evolutionary advantage for early humans by hello_kitty2 on Monday February 26, 2024 @06:15AM (#39509964)
> Those who can do that naturally become developers.

No. Those who can do that become multi millionaires/billionaires. Developers get stuck on the local minima of programming.