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Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by FridgeSeal on Wednesday February 21, 2024 @10:39PM (#39462954)
I’d genuinely expect the people who built and operate the thing to have a far better write up than what amounted to “it no worked lol”. Sure, NN’s are opaque, but this org paints itself as the herald and shepard of ai and they just produced a write up that’s hardly worthy of a primary-school-child’s account of their recent holiday.
Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by thethimble on Thursday February 22, 2024 @01:37AM (#39463912)
Random sampling issues due to problems with the inference kernels on certain GPU configurations. This seems like a clear root cause and has nothing to do with the magic of NNs. I don’t understand what the fuss is about.
Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by throwuwu on Thursday February 22, 2024 @06:11AM (#39465504)
They just want to reinforce their own bias that OpenAI BAD and DUMB, rationalism GOOD! When it’s their own fault for not understanding enough theory to know what happens if there were to be a loss of precision in the predicted embedding vector that maps to a token. If enough decimal places are lopped off or nudged then that moves the predicted vector slightly away from where it should be and you get a nearby token instead. Instant aphasia. The report said it was a GPU configuration problem so my guess is the wrong precision was used in some number of GPUs but I have no idea how they configure their cluster so take that with a giant grain of salt.
Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by cqqxo4zV46cp on Thursday February 22, 2024 @06:29AM (#39465632)
Yep. Some obviously made their mind up before the page even rendered.
Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by meowface on Thursday February 22, 2024 @10:04AM (#39468120)
Agreed, but I think they raise a fair point that some kind of automated testing probably should've existed to look for sudden major changes in prompt -> output production between versions, with lots of prompt test cases. Maybe this testing did exist but this problem just didn't surface, for some reason?
Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by FridgeSeal on Thursday February 22, 2024 @05:45PM (#39474385)
> so my guess is the wrong precision was used in some number of GPUs

Well we wouldn’t have to guess if their PM wasn’t so pointlessly vague would we?

Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by FridgeSeal on Thursday February 22, 2024 @05:44PM (#39474371)
If that’s what it was, they’ve done a fabulously bad job of conveying that, and then made no attempt to dig into why _that_ happened. Which, again, is like going “well it broke because it broke”, not even so much as a “this can happen because some bit of hardware had a cosmic bit flip and freaked out, generally happens with a probability of 1:x”.
Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by drpossum on Thursday February 22, 2024 @01:47AM (#39463970)
You have high expectations of the people who you would typically run across in this space.
Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by ben_w on Thursday February 22, 2024 @06:39AM (#39465718)
"More technically, inference kernels produced incorrect results when used in certain GPU configurations."

As someone who learned to read in part with the Commodore 64 user manual telling me about PEEK and POKE while I was actually in primary school, I think you're greatly overstating what primary school children write about in their holidays.

Snark aside, is their message vague? Sure. But more words wouldn't actually tell us more unless they also published a lot more about their setup — "we were casting float16 to uint16 on line 249 of server_config.c" isn't going to really help either.

Also, here's a recent security update from Apple to compare against: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT214056

Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by FridgeSeal on Thursday February 22, 2024 @05:41PM (#39474333)
Those at least link back to a CVE, which often does have all the gory technical details.

I think your counter-example swings too far in the other direction. Nobody expects a git-diff of the fix, but a solid explanation of the whys and wherefore’s isn’t unreasonable. Cloudflare does, fly.io does, etc etc.

Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by lynx23 on Thursday February 22, 2024 @06:46AM (#39465774)
Well, the YouTube app ChangeLog on iOS uses the same template since years: "fixed space-time continuum". This is a trend, to pretend that users are too dumb to understand the complexity of things, so just do some handwaving and thats it.
Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by jstarfish on Thursday February 22, 2024 @08:13PM (#39475653)
Those splines don't reticulate themselves, you know.
Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by sam0x17 on Thursday February 22, 2024 @07:40AM (#39466226)
case in point: one of the root system prompts leaked out recently and it's pretty clear the "laziness" on a number of fronts is directly because of the root system prompt.
Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by fzzzy on Thursday February 22, 2024 @08:23AM (#39466666)
I know about the leaked prompts and the laziness issues, but haven't read the prompt. What specifically about the prompt changes do you feel have led to laziness?
Re:OpenAI postmortem – Unexpected responses from ChatGPT by EchoChamberMan on Thursday February 22, 2024 @09:08AM (#39467254)
The way companies choose to portray themselves is a rather unreliable way of predicting their actions.