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Re:Groq runs Mixtral 8x7B-32k with 500 T/s by tome on Monday February 19, 2024 @01:17PM (#39432912)
I think existing players will have trouble developing a low latency solution like us whilst they are still running on non-deterministic hardware.
Re:Groq runs Mixtral 8x7B-32k with 500 T/s by WanderPanda on Monday February 19, 2024 @01:52PM (#39433272)
What do you mean by non-deterministic hardware? cuBLAS on a laptop GPU was deterministic when I tried it last iirc
Re:Groq runs Mixtral 8x7B-32k with 500 T/s by tome on Monday February 19, 2024 @02:05PM (#39433406)
Non-deterministic timing characteristics.
Re:Groq runs Mixtral 8x7B-32k with 500 T/s by frozenport on Monday February 19, 2024 @02:07PM (#39433434)
Tip of the ice-berg.

DRAM needs to be refreshed every X cycles.

This means you don't know the time it takes to read from memory. You could be reading at a refresh cycle. This circuitry also adds latency.

Re:Groq runs Mixtral 8x7B-32k with 500 T/s by LtdJorge on Monday February 19, 2024 @07:17PM (#39436488)
OP says SRAM, which doesn't decay so no refreshing.
Re:Groq runs Mixtral 8x7B-32k with 500 T/s by ndjdbdjdbev on Tuesday February 20, 2024 @02:35AM (#39438862)
Timing can simply mean the FETs that make up the logic circuits of a chip. The transition from high to low and low to high has a minimum safe time to register properly...
Re:Groq runs Mixtral 8x7B-32k with 500 T/s by nickpsecurity on Monday February 19, 2024 @03:52PM (#39434670)
While you’re here, I have a quick, off-topic question. We‘ve seen incredible results with GPT3-176B (Davinci) and GPT4 (MoE). Making attempts at open models that reuse their architectural strategies could have a high impact on everyone. Those models took 2500-25000 GPU’s to train, though. It would be great to have a low-cost option for pre training Davinci-class models.

It would great if a company or others with AI hardware were willing to do production runs of chips sold at cost specifically to make open, permissive-licensed models. As in, since you’d lose profit, the cluster owner and users would be legally required to only make permissive models. Maybe at least one in each category (eg text, visual).

Do you think your company or any other hardware supplier would do that? Or someone sell 2500 GPU’s at cost for open models?

(Note to anyone involved in CHIPS Act: please fund a cluster or accelerator specifically for this.)

Re:Groq runs Mixtral 8x7B-32k with 500 T/s by tome on Monday February 19, 2024 @04:14PM (#39434905)
Great idea, but Groq doesn't have a product suitable for training at the moment. Our LPUs shine in inference.