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Re:Poland's PM says authorities in the previous gov widely u... by FirmwareBurner on Sunday February 18, 2024 @04:19PM (#39423483)
The NSO is only supplying a product for which there is insatiable demand from every government. If they wouldn't build them, someone else will.

They're kind of like arms manufacturers. Do you blame them if your government shoots you?

Re:Poland's PM says authorities in the previous gov widely u... by axlee on Sunday February 18, 2024 @04:48PM (#39423762)
> The NSO is only supplying a product for which there is insatiable demand from every government.

There is also insatiable demand for nuclear weapons, but if a private company from the US started selling them to random dictatorships, yes, I would blame them.

Re:Poland's PM says authorities in the previous gov widely u... by dogma1138 on Sunday February 18, 2024 @06:03PM (#39424423)
Poland isn’t a dictatorship, it’s an EU member state and a member of NATO.

Also let’s not compare malware/spyware to nuclear weapons.

Poland can get their hands on any weapon or controlled technology they pretty much want.

Re:Poland's PM says authorities in the previous gov widely u... by axlee on Sunday February 18, 2024 @06:59PM (#39424823)
Pegasus is notoriously sold to more than 40 countries worldwide, among them a fair share of dictatorships: Saudi Arabia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, (Hungary?), Bahrain, Russia...
Re:Poland's PM says authorities in the previous gov widely u... by IYasha on Monday February 19, 2024 @04:27AM (#39427684)
You truly have some bias in your definition of dictatorship.
Re:Poland's PM says authorities in the previous gov widely u... by actionfromafar on Monday February 19, 2024 @08:42AM (#39429620)
A bias towards democracy.
Re:Poland's PM says authorities in the previous gov widely u... by hulitu on Thursday February 22, 2024 @11:53AM (#39469769)
Like Canada, US ...
Re:Poland's PM says authorities in the previous gov widely u... by dogma1138 on Thursday February 29, 2024 @03:41AM (#39547555)
That would be an argument if we weren’t selling weapons to those countries all the fucking time.
Re:Poland's PM says authorities in the previous gov widely u... by dogma1138 on Thursday February 29, 2024 @03:40AM (#39547543)
It wasn’t sold to neither Russia or Belarus, and the rest are countries that we sell weapons too all the time.

And I find it laughable that you out Hungary as a dictatorship it’s an EU member and a NATO member.

Re:Poland's PM says authorities in the previous gov widely u... by p_l on Sunday February 18, 2024 @04:38PM (#39423662)
If the arms manufacturer explicitly works with unethical and illegal uses of clients as main sales target, yes.
Re:Poland's PM says authorities in the previous gov widely u... by Qem on Sunday February 18, 2024 @04:28PM (#39423556)
> They're kind of like arms manufacturers.

More like hired hitmen.

Re:Poland's PM says authorities in the previous gov widely u... by someotherperson on Sunday February 18, 2024 @05:57PM (#39424381)
Replace NSO group’s spyware with child sex slaves, reread what you wrote, and then revisit your moral compass
Re:Poland's PM says authorities in the previous gov widely u... by kergonath on Sunday February 18, 2024 @06:18PM (#39424546)
> If they wouldn't build them, someone else will.

Nobody thinks that we can prevent everyone from doing something. The point of regulating (or making it illegal) and then enforcing those laws is to increase friction, increase costs, and thus making the thing difficult enough to obtain that the problems it causes become manageable. If there are 3 vendors of this sort of thing, then shutting down one of them definitely will make it more difficult for would-be customers by increasing costs and risks. Something does not have to be perfect to be good.

> They're kind of like arms manufacturers. Do you blame them if your government shoots you?

When Iran sells weapons to the Russians we definitely blame them, yes. And the Russians for using them, as well.

Re:Poland's PM says authorities in the previous gov widely u... by CPLX on Sunday February 18, 2024 @04:58PM (#39423877)
Of course I do. Is your theory that manufacturing weapons of war is a morally neutral occupation?