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Re:I worry our Copilot is leaving some passengers behind by Jensson on Saturday February 17, 2024 @04:39PM (#39413795)
I always wondered if that meant the first 90% takes 50% of the time or 10% of the time.

You could see it as the last 10% taking 90% which is the same as the first and total work was actually 180%, so the first took 50% of total.

Or you can see it as the last taking 90% of the time for real, so the first 90% took 10%.

It is a factor 5 difference between the two interpretations, so it really matters a ton.

Re:I worry our Copilot is leaving some passengers behind by e1g on Saturday February 17, 2024 @07:56PM (#39415044)
When you think you're almost done, you're halfway there. However long you expect X to take, you should double that.

Hofstadter's Law: it always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law.

Re:I worry our Copilot is leaving some passengers behind by hananova on Sunday February 18, 2024 @01:39AM (#39416777)
Hofstadter's Law implies that every task takes an infinite amount of time.
Re:I worry our Copilot is leaving some passengers behind by bayindirh on Sunday February 18, 2024 @04:04AM (#39417448)
Software is a kind of art. It's never finished, but abandoned. You can continue to polish the code without adding functions (or even fixing bugs), so yes, it can take forever.

OTOH, when you give that ~180%, you reach to a maturity level most of your users perceive as "done", so what's most developers are after is that point.

Then, there are passion projects, which go on for 30+ years (Vim, BBEdit, etc.), where people work on it because they love the project and they're able to.

*: BBEdit is closed source/commercial software, but it sells because it's well crafted. It's not crafted to sell well.

Re:I worry our Copilot is leaving some passengers behind by m3047 on Sunday February 18, 2024 @10:57AM (#39420078)
It makes a lot more sense when you understand two things:

1) Untrained software engineers' unconscious inclination is to estimate the amount of time after which it's probably time to reassess, rather than complete.

2) The distribution of actual completion is not a normal distribution with respect to estimates of completion, it is log normal: there's a really really long tail.

Re:I worry our Copilot is leaving some passengers behind by BerislavLopac on Monday February 19, 2024 @10:26AM (#39430766)
> I always wondered if that meant the first 90% takes 50% of the time or 10% of the time.

Essentially the latter; what you thought will be 90% the time ends up being just the first 10%. And the rest is spent on the 10% of the code, plus everything else that is part of the project besides the code: reviews, testing, revisions, deployment issues etc.