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Re:The Catalogue of UK Entrances to Hell by wkjagt on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @06:51AM (#39356812)
I wonder if it would be possible to filter out the noise of the “modern web” by black listing big tech the same way we block ads. Might be an interesting project.
Re:The Catalogue of UK Entrances to Hell by jonpurdy on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @07:36AM (#39357044)
Kagi (the search engine) has Small Web※, which (I assume) shows only results from the long tail and excludes popular sites (they use TinyGem search index for this).

※https://blog.kagi.com/small-web

Re:The Catalogue of UK Entrances to Hell by wkjagt on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @10:09AM (#39358278)
Oh this looks really nice. Thanks for sharing!
Re:The Catalogue of UK Entrances to Hell by saiya-jin on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @06:58AM (#39356848)
I mean put adblocks into crazy mode, blacklist anything related to Google and Meta-crap by default, turn off JS and probably CSS too and you are almost there, maybe apart from blinking text and weirdly stretched bitmap backgrounds
Re:The Catalogue of UK Entrances to Hell by martinpw on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @09:12AM (#39357757)
Wasn't there a site that showed search results but skipped the top N results, so you ended up seeing a lot more interesting smaller sites? Can't remember details and a quick search (hah) didn't find it. Pretty sure it was linked on HN a year or two ago...

Edit - I think this was it, but looks like it needs an account: https://millionshort.com/

Re:The Catalogue of UK Entrances to Hell by 15457345234 on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @09:20AM (#39357829)
> so you ended up seeing a lot more interesting smaller sites?

A lot of smaller sites just aren't indexed any more, it's a common complaint you read here...

"Smaller site, we don't use adwords, we're getting crawled 500x/day which is 40% of our bandwidth, still not indexed after 6 months"

Re:The Catalogue of UK Entrances to Hell by flpm on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @09:29AM (#39357912)
If a search engine were to penalize ads, I bet a lot of those old sites would surface. The old web was an "amateur" web, people created sites to share content they were excited about, not to monetize it (or to allow a platform to monetize it). If search engines also make most of their money from advertising, they have a big conflict of interest. We need an open source search engine owned by a non-profit organization following the model of Signal.
Re:The Catalogue of UK Entrances to Hell by wkjagt on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @09:55AM (#39358148)
> If a search engine were to penalize ads, I bet a lot of those old sites would surface.

Maybe using an ad blocker to build a list of "websites that serve ads" (in addition to domains those ads are served from), and using that list to filter out results from an existing search engine API (like Duck Duck Go) would get you part of the way. But you'd probably need to search really far before you start finding sites that don't serve ads.

Re:The Catalogue of UK Entrances to Hell by ornornor on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @03:44PM (#39375061)
Kagi partially does that. I lt shows how many trackers a result has on its results page and lets you boost or downgrade domains in your search results.
Re:The Catalogue of UK Entrances to Hell by sirsinsalot on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @09:55AM (#39358145)
I would use a search engine that only indexed sites that have zero ads, tracking or referral links.

Not sure how useful it'd be, but I would use it!

It would probably be like Google circa 1999-2000

Re:The Catalogue of UK Entrances to Hell by wkjagt on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @10:06AM (#39358257)
I would use that too, for sure! I kind of feel like experimenting with this now. I have no idea how doable it is to just "start scraping the web" though. uBlock Origin is open source, so I guess that could be used to help filter out sites that serve ads.
Re:The Catalogue of UK Entrances to Hell by wconrm on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @09:59AM (#39358185)
I find this CSE quite usefull for finding old websites https://www.oldestsearch.com/
Re:The Catalogue of UK Entrances to Hell by robinsonb5 on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @10:04AM (#39358239)
All you need is a reliable way to detect cookie popups.