Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Americans don't believe it

Re:Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Amer... by anon115 on Monday February 12, 2024 @02:26PM (#39349146)

[[even if americans dont believe it]]- form of gaslighting.

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Re:Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Amer... by mrtesthah on Monday February 12, 2024 @02:34PM (#39349242)

That's not gaslighting. The author is literally citing the disagreement of polls about the perception of crime vs the actual statistics of crime.

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Re:Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Amer... by pastor_bob on Monday February 12, 2024 @02:36PM (#39349285)

The title should really read: [Reported statistics indicate] Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. — even if Americans don't believe it

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Re:Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Amer... by mrtesthah on Monday February 12, 2024 @02:38PM (#39349297)

No, that would be redundant. Moreover, it's a journalist's job to qualify their sources (in this case, official crime statistics), so implying some sort of discrepancy in that data without cause would itself be a form of gaslighting.

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Re:Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Amer... by pastor_bob on Monday February 12, 2024 @02:41PM (#39349354)

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE828187/

"A New York Police Department whistleblower's report that his precinct was systematically underreporting crime - an act that resulted in a suspension and time in a psychiatric ward - has been validated by an internal department investigation."

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Re:Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Amer... by mrtesthah on Monday February 12, 2024 @02:43PM (#39349378)

That's from 12 years ago, and moreover is not specific to violent crime, nor to national statistics. This article is about violent crime during and since the pandemic only.

And even if your NYC anecdote could somehow be applied to all national crime statistics, it still wouldn't change the truth of the article, which is that crime has decreased relative to before. If crime were underreported previously, and continues to be underreported now, then the fact of the relative decrease in rates remains true.

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Re:Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Amer... by tekla on Monday February 12, 2024 @02:35PM (#39349259)

The term "gaslighting" needs to disappear. I don't think I've ever seen anyone use it correctly.

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Re:Violent crime is dropping fast in the U.S. – even if Amer... by syllablehq on Monday February 12, 2024 @02:50PM (#39349480)

Or, the media is gaslighting people to think violent crime is up even if it’s not. Which is a rational possibility since reporting crime has political motivations.

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