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Re:Should toggle button show its current state or the state ... by kqr on Monday February 12, 2024 @11:33AM (#39346860)
This is a good one, and also what airplanes do[1]. These problems are solved by people who care a lot about usability, but computer people are slow to pick up this sort of stuff from other fields.

Labels outside the switch also work.[2]

[1]: https://my737ng.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/cp_mcp_header...

[2]: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/37/0a/2c370a3f4018cfa9c3ef...

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Re:Should toggle button show its current state or the state ... by pjot on Monday February 12, 2024 @01:43PM (#39348631)
My table saw has this as well. A green and red light, both with off/steady/blink states that indicates information about the blade and safety system.
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Re:Should toggle button show its current state or the state ... by bqmjjx0kac on Monday February 12, 2024 @02:53PM (#39349531)
Mine has this as well! I like the UX, but it's also kind of crazy that they didn't think about red/green colorblind users.
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Re:Should toggle button show its current state or the state ... by kqr on Monday February 12, 2024 @03:34PM (#39350096)
Are they incandescent or LED? Until recently red and green were the only LEDs possible and some industries move slowly on such things.
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Re:Should toggle button show its current state or the state ... by thr33 on Monday February 12, 2024 @05:52PM (#39351658)
colorblindness would have no effect on this ux pattern
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Re:Should toggle button show its current state or the state ... by bqmjjx0kac on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @09:47AM (#39358057)
Okay
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Re:Should toggle button show its current state or the state ... by 1-more on Monday February 12, 2024 @03:21PM (#39349926)
God are they ever nice saws too. Good for you big dog.
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Re:Should toggle button show its current state or the state ... by Sohcahtoa82 on Monday February 12, 2024 @02:44PM (#39349394)
> computer people are slow to pick up this sort of stuff from other fields

Because computer people aren't optimizing for functionality, intuitiveness, or really any sort of UX.

They're optimizing for some idea of "beauty" and whatever is trendy.

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Re:Should toggle button show its current state or the state ... by mattmaroon on Monday February 12, 2024 @05:28PM (#39351393)
And you don’t die if your mute switch is in the wrong position at the wrong time.
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Re:Should toggle button show its current state or the state ... by wruza on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @07:26AM (#39356992)
Users may disagree.
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Re:Should toggle button show its current state or the state ... by mattmaroon on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @01:28PM (#39360952)
Users who survived being unmuted.
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Re:Should toggle button show its current state or the state ... by sumtechguy on Monday February 12, 2024 @03:58PM (#39350404)
The real pain is this WAS a solved problem in computers too. Almost all of the GUI OS's had a style guide. Usually 2-3 pages at most (usually smaller) and fairly easy to follow. Then everyone went bonkers and wanted to make their own. Then dump that all into one desktop and good luck... Every app is special.
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Re:Should toggle button show its current state or the state ... by armchair_expert on Tuesday February 13, 2024 @05:04AM (#39356182)
I blame Microsoft for this. They release a completely new UI framework every 5 years, completely abandoning the old ones. The design is outdated and boring. The XAML based UI frameworks look terrible if you use the default settings, and force you to customize. It's great that it's easy to create custom UIs, but terrible for consistency between apps.

On the Apple side, things look a lot better. They were able to keep most apps using the native UI.

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Re:Should toggle button show its current state or the state ... by sumtechguy on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @01:37PM (#39373423)
Apple was just as bad. :( They switched at least 5 times in the early 2000s. Like you point out though they finally seemed to have calmed down.

MS had it in the bag too! Everyone wanted that 'sticker'. If you didnt have it almost no one would put your software on the shelf. To get that sticker you had to pass their usability tests that followed their style guide. Then they did like you said and switched it at least 2 times ever OS release.

Plus the web got in there and there were almost zero standards there. So we ended up with dozenes of framerworks that 'do it for you' and those have at least 3-5 generations of goop.

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