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Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by fuhrtf on Monday February 12, 2024 @10:34AM (#39345977)
Cloudflare is like Google early days. They could spend resources on things for the good of the all. In this case they’re spending millions when they could have settled for much cheaper. Thanks Cloudflare.
Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by worewood on Monday February 12, 2024 @11:42AM (#39346994)
I think this is just basic game theory.

If they settled the trolls would just keep coming.

If they fight the patent extortion then trolls are going to think twice before suing them, for fear of losing .

Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by croemer on Monday February 12, 2024 @01:21PM (#39348349)
Sure it might well be in Cloudflare's self-interest, but it's still good they're doing it this way. If it was very obviously the best thing to do, other companies would do likewise. The fact that Cloudflare's approach appears novel suggests it's not just simple self-interest.
Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by ChrisMarshallNY on Monday February 12, 2024 @04:38PM (#39350879)
The company that I used to work for, had a vast patent portfolio.

They were also getting sued regularly, by patent trolls.

They had really good lawyers, and had a basic policy, to never settle with trolls. It wasn't altruistic. They just didn't want to get bullied. I'm sure that they also went after other companies, and there was probably a lot of wheeling and dealing. That's one of the reasons that corporations like to hoard patents.

They used to require their engineers to file a couple of patents a year. I am on a patent. I got a dollar for it.

Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by DistractionRect on Monday February 12, 2024 @12:12PM (#39347438)
It probably wouldn't have been cheaper. The settlement would likely look like a fixed fee for previous use + yearly fee for X years before renegotiation, renegotiated y times before the patent expired.

It's likely that over the lifetime of the patent, the total cost would have been more than the cost to fight it, and as the a sibling pointed out, settling begets more suits + settlements. It adds up fast.

This isn't Cloudflare being "good," it's in their best interest to fight frivolous suits.

Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by gkiely on Monday February 12, 2024 @12:46PM (#39347893)
Why did none of the other companies listed in the article fight it, if this is the case?
Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by nightpool on Monday February 12, 2024 @01:19PM (#39348330)
Maybe Sable saw Cloudflare as a juicier target, since the other companies listed are all hardware manufactures and don't operate a large consumer business like Cloudflare (leading to very, very different usage numbers). Or maybe Cloudflare thought that they had a better chance at trial against hardware patents, since they don't make router hardware themselves.
Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by hsuduebc2 on Monday February 12, 2024 @10:42AM (#39346106)
Hope they wouldn't end like google. But you are right. Thank you Cloudflare.
Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by aftbit on Monday February 12, 2024 @10:52AM (#39346238)
You either die a hero or you live long enough to become a villain.
Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by spaceguillotine on Monday February 12, 2024 @12:48PM (#39347930)
i thought we already saw them enter their villain phase protecting hate groups that took years to turn around before banning kiwi farms and as of 2022, 440 of the most prominent misinformation websites in the world still with CloudFlare protection, it took a mass shooting to get them to stop protecting 8Chan, people shouldn't die before they take action.

Most of tech is firmly in their villain phase and has been for years, its dollars over everything. Even ycombinator backed Stripe supports hate groups as a payment processor see: https://www.splcenter.org/hate-and-tech

Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by jimkoen on Monday February 12, 2024 @02:30PM (#39349194)
> it took a mass shooting to get them to stop protecting 8Chan

While I agree with moving against bad actors on the internet, it's not CloudFlares role to play the censor. Let's be real, legislators and law enforcement already have the tools available to move against these type of platforms and pushing corporations into censorship gives me the same kind of vibes like when politicians ask for ever increasing (and useless) surveillance and empowerment in law enforcement capabilities.

Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by hsuduebc2 on Monday February 12, 2024 @01:00PM (#39348098)
You got a point. Yesterday this post which was trending on hacker news mentioned that cloudflare was defending not revealing identity of people at court that were stalking and literally destroying someones live with swatting. I wouldn't say they are soulles corporation like google. Their attitude is somehow problematic yet admirable.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/swat...

Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by Exoristos on Monday February 12, 2024 @03:27PM (#39350008)
Since when were internet companies part of law enforcement?
Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by yread on Monday February 12, 2024 @11:55AM (#39347187)
CloudFlare will be much scarier than Google as a villain
Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by toomuchtodo on Monday February 12, 2024 @10:49AM (#39346191)
May their future noble side quests be successful.
Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by adabyron on Monday February 12, 2024 @10:53AM (#39346251)
Newegg was famous for doing this as well. Glad to see Cloudflare keeping the "Don't be evil" concept alive.
Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by coldpie on Monday February 12, 2024 @11:34AM (#39346869)
Newegg's fall was so sad to see. From an top-notch seller of tech with an admirable legal team that made headlines, to yet another no-name online flea market.
Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by bashinator on Monday February 12, 2024 @11:57AM (#39347210)
So true. Thank goodness for Microcenter and B&H. Especially the latter still has a hand-curated product selection.
Re:Cloudflare defeats patent troll Sable at trial by 0cf8612b2e1e on Monday February 12, 2024 @08:26PM (#39353161)
I am still like a 10% sure cloudflare is a government run honeypot.