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Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by bla3 on Friday February 09, 2024 @06:57PM (#39321996)
Is there another way?
Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by Fnoord on Friday February 09, 2024 @07:37PM (#39322264)
Of course there is. As a parent (no matter your gender) you have the legal responsibility to take care of your children until adult age. On the double for young children, such as a baby. This is priority #1 in your life. I was just ill half of January (some seasonal cold/flu/whatever) and even then this is priority over resting. A baby needs attention, food, drink, clean diapers, sleep, hugs/massage (vs tummy cramps), safety (parent available). Furthermore, you and your significant other are a team of caregivers. You need to act like a team player ie. communicate and propose. Yes, you can have leisure time (tho not much with a newborn in my experience, it already gets better with a baby) but it is about giving and taking, balance between family, work, and fun. For example, he could use the device one hour a day. It would've just been a longer project, or less extensive.

Anyway, I just brush it off as tough boy talk. He did communicate and work it out with his significant other and she agreed. Not in the sense he said I am unavailable for a week good luck with your life see you in a week.

Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by wernercd on Friday February 09, 2024 @09:21PM (#39322937)
"priority #1" and as part of his priority? making money to pay the bills. While wife takes care of the kid.

People around the world and throughout history sacrifice for their kids... we should all be so lucky. He's able to sacrifice from the comfort of home... some sacrifice in coal mines or on oil rigs or on long commutes to long days in factories.

Complaining that dad has to work to provide is a first world problem.

Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by Fnoord on Saturday February 10, 2024 @03:15AM (#39324509)
I don't see his time with this headset as work but as fun/play. I guess we disagree on that.
Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by sokoloff on Saturday February 10, 2024 @09:36AM (#39326403)
This is how he makes his income, is it not?

I really enjoy programming and find it fun/engaging. It’s still work, because it’s how I earn money.

Other people work as tour guides or travel writers. Do you see what they do as playing around traveling or as work?

Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by Fnoord on Saturday February 10, 2024 @11:43AM (#39327641)
I'm not sure he makes his income with writing reviews like this?

Sure, you could make your hobby a job. But if they experiment with a device like this to see if it enhances their work it is kinda like the 80/20 rule at Google. It could turn out productive, inspiring. But I wouldn't want to bet on it. It wouldn't be the main task of his job.

Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by sokoloff on Saturday February 10, 2024 @03:19PM (#39329814)
Even the 20 part of Google work is work, IMO, whether it turns out to be productive/inspiring/useful.
Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by wernercd on Saturday February 10, 2024 @10:10AM (#39326664)
I work as a computer programmer. I sit behind a desk and I have fun solving problems... while getting paid to use technology.

You may not see it as work... but the guy is literally getting paid for it.

No offense but it doesn't matter what you see or what you think you see - what matters is what's really happening.

And what's really happening is this guy has gotten REALLY lucky: He's got a job where he can have "fun/play" doing something that pays his bills. That doesn't make his "sacrifice" anything less because it's enjoyable (sacrificing time with wife/kid(s)). It makes his sacrifice enjoyable but he still has to make the same sacrifice that parents around the world make on the daily.

I guess I'd ask you honestly... do you see professional streamers or gaming streamers as working? Destiny, Vaush, Asmond Gold, pewdiepie, etc? I know streamers that spend 12 hours a day online engaging in content to make money - and a few of them have kid(s). They are having fun and making money while working their asses off to better their lives and, presumably, their families lives.

They aren't slaving in a coal mine or sitting with dead looks in their eyes in a cubicle but they are making money and ends meet. Just because they are lucky (and work their asses off) doesn't mean they aren't also sacrificing.

But I digress. I'm lucky enough to love what I do as well so I think the fact this guy can provide for his family by playing with toy is fucking awesome.

Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by Fnoord on Saturday February 10, 2024 @11:37AM (#39327559)
If he is productively working, then he needs to balance work and his RL responsibilities. His review on this device does not have higher importance than his baby, and the way he worded it is misogynistic (but like I said some men like to sound like tough boy when it comes to this, overstating their power in family while in reality he may get pussy whipped over something like this).

As for the examples you mention, I only know Asmongold (and Pewdiepie from committing suicide). Asmongold is a child in an adult body. But I think that is true for a lot of influencers. I find them overrated but they can consider themselves lucky in their niche. Either way, they're exceptions, not the rule of thumb.

Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by true_religion on Saturday February 10, 2024 @12:24PM (#39328142)
Lots of people don’t balance their responsibilities in the way you are talking about.

For example, soldiers on deployment or travel sales people, or people who work foe international organizations or migrant farmers… all have to leave home for weeks to months in order to earn money.

Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by Tagbert on Saturday February 10, 2024 @02:33PM (#39329457)
Are we assuming that he works like this all year long? It seems that he did a short stint of work “heads down” in an AR/VR device to write a story. That is analogous to his saying “Hey, Family, I need to take a trip for work for the next week. See you when I get back”. That seems pretty normal and not at all irresponsible.
Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by wernercd on Saturday February 10, 2024 @03:18PM (#39329813)
"does not have higher priority"

Where do you have ANY evidence that his kid is being neglected? We are literally talking about 1 week. 1 freaking week. A long week of over time.

"misogynistic"

lol working with his wife as a team to take care of their kid is misogyny? I'm sorry but you obviously have a different definition. Because there's nothing bad about sacrificing for your family - even if you have fun while doing so.

Just like my question about you having proof of anything bad about this exchange as one half of the couple... what proof do you have of anything nefarious, misogynistic (other than the wording you don't approve of) or being "pussy whipped". I question your motives as your statements show you have your own bias that makes having a real conversation with you questionable.

"exceptions, not the rule of thumb" Correct. They are exceptions because they have fun doing what they do. the vast majority of people don't enjoy what they do. They work to live. Most people have jobs - not careers they love. They make money to provide for those they love (even if that's only themselves).

The rule is people sacrifice for themselves and their family.

The only part of this conversation that's the exception is the fact that this guy gets to play with an over priced toy and gets paid for it. He's still sacrificing (and without proof of neglect or harm to wife/kid - at least no more than any other 9/5 job would be considered).

Nothing you've said challenges my position that he's lucky for doing it but he's still sacrificing for his family. Props to him.

Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by techdmn on Saturday February 10, 2024 @04:55AM (#39324955)
I agree with everything you said. It's played for laughs, but it's a misogynistic joke about men having all the power and women having all the responsibility for child rearing. We can do better.
Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by walteweiss on Saturday February 10, 2024 @06:46AM (#39325474)
I just love how downvoted you are! Really shows the true hn crowd, the kids themselves.
Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by CatWChainsaw on Saturday February 10, 2024 @07:03PM (#39331470)
Kids that probably have an over-representation of Y chromosomes and swollen egos, so it tracks.
Re:All my thoughts after 40 hours in the Vision Pro by Astraco on Friday February 09, 2024 @07:36PM (#39322257)
Yes, a lot of them.