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Re:How the shift to ebooks will affect genre categories in f... by PaulHoule on Saturday May 05, 2012 @10:01AM (#3932131)
Note the theme of how collapsing publishing sectors get eaten by Hollywood.

Consider the case of comics, particularly Marvel and DC. I'm a huge fan of Stan Lee's work from the 1960's and 1970's and I like some Marvel and DC stuff after that.

Lee created some incredibly popular characters in the "Silver Age" but nothing added later really caught on. But, 40 years on, what can you write about the Incredible Hulk? How many times can Magneto trash the X-Men's house?

Sure, later on the comic houses published some books by Frank Miller and others that had more literary and artistic pretention, but none of those sold as well.

By 2000 or so both Marvel and DC flirted with bankruptcy and got bought by media conglomerates because movies about comic book characters were much more profitable than comic books.

Re:How the shift to ebooks will affect genre categories in f... by egypturnash on Saturday May 05, 2012 @02:23PM (#3932785)
Lee AND THE ARTISTS. Many of these characters were developed in close collaboration; the "Marvel Method" was usually "writer and artist jam on ideas for a few hours, artist goes off and draws pages with rough notes as to dialogue, writer does final text based on that". Marvel would not exist today without the titanic creativity of Kirby.

And then Marvel systematically screwed the artists out of credit, residuals, and just in general. They're still doing this, too. DC's not much better, either.

Pardon the slight rantiness here. I'm an artist so the creative credit going to the party who does the LEAST amount of the creative work bugs me.

Re:How the shift to ebooks will affect genre categories in f... by PaulHoule on Saturday May 05, 2012 @05:59PM (#3933410)
Granted, but once Lee left the editor-in-chief position, things went downhill fast at Marvel and the best people (Marv Wolfman) wound up at DC.
Re:How the shift to ebooks will affect genre categories in f... by theretodivert on Sunday May 06, 2012 @01:41AM (#3934263)
Lee stopped editing in 1972. Wolfman left in 1980. So, what happened during that time?

Various writer-editors were given the title of editor-in-chief but they really didn't do that job. Roy Thomas, Len Wein, Wolfman, Gerry Conway (for less than 2 months), and then Archie Goodwin all had a significant amount of reprinted comics published because the new issues weren't done in time. Readers hate reprinted stories. (The only writer-editor who did not become editor-in-chief was Steve Gerber.)

What stopped this trend? Marvel hired an editor to be an editor-in-chief. This annoyed a few of the writer-editors and so most left in dramatic diva fashion.

Most comic fans do consider the 60's Marvel as equally good as the 80's Marvel, which includes Walter Simonson's Thor, Frank Miller's Daredevil, Byrne's Fantastic Four, Roger Stern and John Romita Jr's Amazing Spider-Man, and Claremont, et al's X-Men.

70's DC is an example of how to ruin a company. Without detailing their editorial problems, let's focus on two significant events. Sometime during 1972 and 1974, Marvel starts to outside DC for the first time in history. Except for a handful of months, this has been true until very recently. The second event is known as the DC implosion. DC screwed up and had to cancel a large number of their titles. Much of their talent landed jobs at Marvel.

So Wolfman and the other writer-editors jumping ship for DC was not a step up. It was a step away from meeting deadlines, and other responsibilities. Lee understood that no editor-in-chief could edit the writer-editors, which is likely why he left when he did.

Re:How the shift to ebooks will affect genre categories in f... by MatthewPhillips on Saturday May 05, 2012 @11:59AM (#3932372)
All true, but weren't comic book sales in decline before DC and Marvel were bought by Warner Bros and Disney? I don't think it's all bad. The indie sector is still very vibrant, and the good artists there usually get jobs in the majors and do good work (Remender, Abnett and Landing, etc).