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Re:Waymo Hits Cyclist in SF by henriquez on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @10:38PM (#39297739)
Yes, it totally makes sense for bike commuters to be run over and sent to the hospital by robotic driverless vehicles while billionaire entrepreneurs refine the AI models powering them — it’s a beta test after all, you can’t actually expect it to work on public streets. And I bet those cyclists weren’t even paying their road tax.

The needs of the 95th percentile that the model was tuned for outweigh the needs of everyone else, who can’t even afford a basic RWD Tesla Model 3 (which is pathetic and the most pedestrian of EV options since I drive an EV GM Hummer and I post on Hacker News)

Re:Waymo Hits Cyclist in SF by harimau777 on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @11:19PM (#39298074)
I think that line of reasoning would only apply if the driverless vehicles are not better than human drivers. That is to say, it's perfectly reasonable that bike commuters would die as the software is improved as long as less bike commuters are die than would without the driverless cars.

To be clear, I don't know that I necessarily think that driverless cars currently are better than human drivers. I'm just pointing out that the logic changes if they are.

Re:Waymo Hits Cyclist in SF by henriquez on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @11:23PM (#39298100)
Logic and morality are on two separate paths. IF the driverless car decides to kill your daughter because saving a van full of refugees was for the greater good, then it wouldn't be a question of what was "better," it would be a question of what was "righteous." In this hypothetical scenario, logically it would make sense to kill your daughter and apparently you're completely comfortable with amoral constructs making this decision on your behalf.

Fortunately we don't have to ponder such philosophical dilemmas while the current iteration of so-called "driverless" vehicles are `developmentally delayed` to put it lightly. But I guess a few bruised-up bike commuters are considered "acceptable loss" along the way to real progess (which is surely coming soon, surely)

Re:Waymo Hits Cyclist in SF by brian-armstrong on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @10:52PM (#39297844)
How many cyclists are hit per million Uber rides?
Re:Waymo Hits Cyclist in SF by nicbou on Thursday February 08, 2024 @05:15AM (#39300290)
We get run over with or without driverless cars, but driverless cars do it an awful lot less and will keep getting better at it.
Re:Waymo Hits Cyclist in SF by henriquez on Thursday February 08, 2024 @06:59AM (#39300941)
Then by that logic the software engineers should be prosecuted for involuntary manslaughter when their beta test kills someone.
Re:Waymo Hits Cyclist in SF by nicbou on Thursday February 08, 2024 @08:26PM (#39310272)
I don't follow your logic