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Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by MilStdJunkie on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @09:14PM (#39297010)
Over the last thirty years or so, it's been increasingly popular to see WW1 and WW2 as the same conflict, but with a pause for populations to stabilize and stocks to be rebuilt.

It's sometimes called "The Second Thirty Years' War", although I feel that labelling is misleading, as is, potentially, the core thesis. Careful reading of the diplomatic history illustrates that WW2, despite our popular notions, was not entirely inevitable, but, at least so far as Poland was concerned, was one more in a very long list of NSDAP f#ckups. 30 Year War Part II is a workable paradigm when considering the large scale causes of the 20th century conflicts. It's deeply, bitterly ironic that Europe was done in by the same intellectual framework that allowed them to dominate the rest of the world. Turns out, once you start throwing subhuman labels around, it's just a matter of time before the label lands on your neighbors.

Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by jdougan on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @10:19PM (#39297602)
I prefer to think of the history of the 20th Century as The Great War plus repercussions.
Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by giraffe_lady on Thursday February 08, 2024 @12:12PM (#39304547)
I have heard a historian half-joke that we already know world war 3 started in 1914.
Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by golergka on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @09:40PM (#39297234)
> by the same intellectual framework that allowed them to dominate the rest of the world

People consisted other nations and ethnicities subhuman as long as they existed. Europe was, AFAIK, the first place on Earth that (1) considered subjugated people equal before the law (if they converted), (2) banned slavery and (3) imposed slavery ban on other nations.

Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by triceratops on Thursday February 08, 2024 @04:11AM (#39299910)
> considered subjugated people equal before the law (if they converted)

The Mongols and the ancient Persians didn't even make anyone convert.

> banned slavery

If you don't count all the colonies...

> imposed slavery ban on other nations

It is a very admirable thing to do, but who else could do it? They had the most powerful militaries in that era.

Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by golergka on Friday February 09, 2024 @01:51PM (#39318727)
> If you don't count all the colonies...

Colonies are exactly what I'm talking about.

> It is a very admirable thing to do, but who else could do it? They had the most powerful militaries in that era.

Nobody else even wanted to.

Re:As Much as You Ever Wanted to Know About 155M Artillery S... by triceratops on Saturday February 10, 2024 @10:43AM (#39326947)
> Colonies are exactly what I'm talking about.

Tell me more about how slavery was outlawed in Haiti - especially during the French Revolution with its "liberté, égalité, fraternité". Tell me about Belgian Congo. Tell me about the close relative of slavery, indentured servitude, in the British Empire.