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Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by kj99 on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @11:40AM (#39290709)
“friend of iFixit Karl Guttag has a blog post explaining why using the Vision Pro as a replacement for a good monitor is “ridiculous.”

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This, says Karl, makes for a virtual Mac display with low enough PPD to see individual pixels—not quite the standard desktop display”

So rather than just trying it for themselves and realizing Karl is wrong, they quote this uncritically?

For what it’s worth, there’s nothing wrong with Karl’s math. He’s just not taking into account the fact that the Vision Pro isn’t mounted in a fixed position and that your brain integrates information over time.

In practice it certainly is as clear as my 4K display when I use it for mirroring.

It’s definitely not as good as a 5K studio display, but then Apple never makes that claim.

Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by danpalmer on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @12:32PM (#39291423)
Karl Guttag has a history of getting a lot of excruciatingly difficult details right, and missing the literal big picture right in front of him. I think he makes great technical contributions to the field (at least from my perspective as a layman), but every one of his analyses that I have read ends with something to the effect of "and this is why it is physically impossible for AR/VR to ever work", which is far beyond skepticism. It makes it hard to take the rest of his analysis seriously because it shows an irrational bias against the technology.
Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by kj99 on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @02:14PM (#39292875)
Yeah. It’s weird. Even the analysis of passthrough is so off. If I look out of my window with AVP on, it’s obvious that I’m looking at a comparatively low res screen, but if I look at digital content, passthrough seems perfect because it’s not in my fovea, and given that the point of the device is to interact with digital content, passthrough is definitely at the level of being good enough.
Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by steveklabnik on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @12:26PM (#39291326)
One of my friends who got a Vision Pro is disappointed in its use as a monitor, but only because he has multiple large monitors on his Mac, yet you can only set up one 4k display inside the Vision Pro, so it ends up being effectively much smaller and lower resolution for him.

Slightly different problem, but related. I'm sure it'll get there over time.

Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by ballresin on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @12:57PM (#39291787)
This was going to be my complaint with the headset as well. I use 2x 49" super ultrawide displays, as well as 2x 27" 4k displays. Lots of real estate.

But then I started to think harder about what I was consuming display space with, and started to peel those things out into their Vision or iPad app equivalents. I'll not get into the obvious trade-offs of using iPad apps, but it largely suits the need.

Once I had Slack, Outlook, a Terminal, and TablePlus floating separately from the Mac display, I started to see a path toward potentially not caring if I even had the Mac display.

Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by elliotbnvl on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @02:04PM (#39292759)
How did you manage the terminal? How do you use it?
Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by kj99 on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @02:09PM (#39292829)
Blink works great. Not as a local terminal, but it’s very good for remote shells.
Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by ballresin on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:27AM (#39302240)
I've used Terminus and Prompt in the past on iOS. For remote dev work over SSH using nvim.
Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by threeseed on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @02:16PM (#39292907)
Apple is rumoured to be testing multi-monitor support:

https://www.macrumors.com/2024/02/06/vision-pro-virtual-disp...

Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by kj99 on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @02:09PM (#39292819)
Apple only ever promised it would mirror one 4K display. They announced that clearly when they introduced it.

It does that as well as the promised, but nothing more.

Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by steveklabnik on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @03:02PM (#39293521)
Sure, I (nor they) am not accusing Apple of being misleading. That doesn't change that there's room for improvement.
Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by kj99 on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @04:45PM (#39294716)
True - I just found it surprising that someone bought it and was then disappointed that it didn't do something that was never suggested it would do.
Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by steveklabnik on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @05:10PM (#39294971)
He didn’t buy it for that specifically, he bought it because he wanted to see what it was like. This is like one sentence of many discussions we’ve had about it. Lots of pros, lots of cons.
Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by kj99 on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @07:27PM (#39296197)
Ah - fair enough. It sounded like it was one of the reasons he was interested in it.

Agreed - lots of pros. Not sure 'cons' is the right word, since there is no competing product, but I wouldn't recommend it to just anyone.

Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by lukev on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @12:15PM (#39291182)
Eh... it's extremely good and more than I expected, but it's not quite 4k quality IMO. Not because I can see the pixels (I can't), but just because of very slight inconsistency across the field of vision, and motion blur when I move my head.
Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by WhatIsDukkha on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @12:28PM (#39291361)
I've wondered how it looks with a very large spreadsheet filled with figures?

That big span of numbers should be fairly revealing of its display capabilities, with all the lines and columns.

How is the fringing and aliasing as you look at different angles?

Is a large pdf filled with math and tables comfortable to spend a few hours with taking notes?

Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by phonon on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @01:47PM (#39292525)
Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by WhatIsDukkha on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @02:43PM (#39293249)
Haha I hadn't checked my rss feed!

I love it when someone smarter and more diligent than me does the work :)

Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by threeseed on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @02:14PM (#39292881)
Karl Guttag: "As per last time, since I don’t have an AVP."

For a device like this where there is so much more than just raw hardware impacting user experience anyone who doesn't own one should have their opinion immediately discounted.

Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by phonon on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @04:01PM (#39294275)
He owns one now.

https://kguttag.com/

Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by kj99 on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @08:37PM (#39296781)
Doesn't seem as though he's produced any new material since receiving it.
Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by phonon on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @09:46PM (#39297305)
Errr...two posts so far, and he is also collaborating with iFixit?
Re:Vision Pro Teardown Part 2 by LegitShady on Thursday February 08, 2024 @09:35AM (#39302359)
saying 4k and 5k displays while talking about PPD, without mentioning display size, is sort of useless. a 22" 4k display is going to look different than 85" 4k display.