It's easier than devolving into literal facism which was the first bar you set.

It's easy enough that the bulk of G20 countries got there sans the USofA which still struggles with public healthcare.

Of course doing something isn't as easy as sitting around doing nothing save moving a bar along and just asking.

Projection wise, for now, globally we're headed to peak and decline in population so much of this jawing is moot.

They got there by getting us to the point we’re at now, by burning fossil fuels and offloading many of their social ills to other regions. By all means, let’s improve education and get more money in people’s pockets. But degrowth is much more likely to be accomplished through fascism than by raising the standard of living globally in a way that preserves regional independence.

I agree that only an overwhelmingly powerful state apparatus could tear people away from their fast food and cat videos. And cars. And heat.

‘You will own nothing and you will be happy. For the good of the planet, of course.’

Taxes, sanctions, globalization. The idea, as I understand it, is that instead of using old fascism with boots and shootings, you just use new fascism with “economic realities” which basically do the same through starvation and homelessness. It works in the west, all you have to do is to give free youtube and tv to everyone in less developed regions, so they’d want that lifestyle badly.

How do we get people to do anything? Violence.

Unfortunately in our flesh and blood world as much as we have a dalliance with forming a society it still all comes down to violence at the end of the day. We hate it, but it's true.

Keep in mind my definition of violence is expansive, not only drawing blood but I would count imprisoning someone (who has broken laws) against their will as (a necessary) violence.