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Re:We've already seen category 6 hurricanes – scientists wan... by gonational on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @09:51AM (#39274781)
I live ON the beach, and the beach hasn't changed one iota in the past 40 years, other than a loss of the scarp during / after large hurricanes. The TV "science" is becoming so ridiculous that it's hard to fathom that there are people who actually believe it.

Am I to believe that there is one large, interconnected ocean, and that fluid naturally levels itself out, but that also, somehow, certain places experience sea level rise while others don't? Is it some huge coincidence that the places experiencing extreme sea level rise (e.g., Solomon Islands) are ephemeral and ever-changing volcanic islands and other volcanically active regions that sit upon a soft foundation of molten mantle?

Use your brain, my friend.

Re:We've already seen category 6 hurricanes – scientists wan... by zaccusl on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @10:31AM (#39275329)
There is absolutely no possible way that you (or any other person) would notice a 4 inch GLOBAL AVERAGE rise in sea level over the last few decades. I don't care if you literally spent 24 hours per day, 7 days per week, 365 days per year on your belly at the high tide mark.

The data is the data and you need a lot more than "living on the beach" to refute it.

And yes, the sea level is different in different parts of the Earth. Why? Because forces are different in different parts of the Earth. Current (which impart forces) alone is enough to make a difference in sea level in two different parts of the Earth.

And yes, land changing elevation is colloquially part of sea level rise.

The problem with using your brain is it doesn't make you an expert in things, or able to refute expertise without actual knowledge. And simple observations do not amount to much knowledge on anything but the most simple subject.

Re:We've already seen category 6 hurricanes – scientists wan... by gonational on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @10:40PM (#39284200)
Absolutely no way huh? There are literally corals (East Florida rock reef) that are barely covered in water at high tide, and these same corals were the same amount covered in 1988. I would notice. I would also notice my best friend's seawall become inundated every high tide now. I know these things are uncomfortable to hear, because a panel of dubiously grant-funded "scientists, who otherwise do nothing but produce irreproducible white papers, said differently.

4 inches is no joke for a small Florida beach town. It's not like California, where you have 80 foot cliffs and wide beaches. My favorite childhood beach spots would have been halved. Instead, they're exactly the same. 4 inches would have ruined much of our town's waterfront property.

Go look up pictures from Liberty Island, 1918. The water level is at the same brick as it is at high tide today.

Global warming is a false religion.

Re:We've already seen category 6 hurricanes – scientists wan... by defrost on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @11:38PM (#39284548)
> Go look up pictures from Liberty Island, 1918.

    "The most obvious problem with the pics is that unless they were taken at the exact same point in a tidal cycle they say nothing about average sea level rise,". Raymo said that the old photo could have been taken near high tide and the recent photo could have been taken near low tide. We just don’t know.
Re:We've already seen category 6 hurricanes – scientists wan... by gonational on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @02:56PM (#39293438)
All one needs to do, in order to prove the theory correct, is to take a new photo at a high springtide[1]. If it's no higher than the old photo, then the theory is correct. If it is higher, then we don't know (because the old photo could have been taken at a lower tide).

Ultimately, it doesn't matter. Without any disrespect intended, anybody, who thinks the ocean is meaningfully rising because of human activity, I'd rather not have living in my town; they're likely to vote to raise my taxes because the TV told them that if they give money to the government the weather will be gooder.

1. https://www.tideschart.com/United-States/New-York/New-York-C...

Re:We've already seen category 6 hurricanes – scientists wan... by Jabbles on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @05:26PM (#39295159)
Surely you would suspect any photo of being photoshopped?

Satellites take millions of "photos" around the world every day, and combined with local measurements, we have a pretty accurate record of how the sea level around Manhattan has changed over the last century: https://sealevel.info/MSL_graph.php?id=8518750&c_date=1900/1...

Re:We've already seen category 6 hurricanes – scientists wan... by defrost on Wednesday February 07, 2024 @07:45PM (#39296387)
> Without any disrespect intended, anybody, who thinks the ocean is meaningfully rising because of human activity, I'd rather not have living in my town;

Without any disrespect, perhaps you would think differently if you'd had a career in exploration geophysics for mineral resources and energy spanning a few decades as I have had.

I started out with continent wide surveying to peg old pre-GPS maps to WGS84 and have worked on mapping the global magnetic field, the geoid (mean 1G gravity surface), continent wide tidal models and radiometric references, etc.

It's clear enough that human activity is causing more heat energy to be trapped in the lower atmosphere and upper sea levels, the artic and antartic are slowly shrinking back .. and none of this is as yet readily perpectabe to the casual human eye - good instrumentation and records tell a different story, as was peer linked in a comment here.

I have little interest in convincing you, this is just a factual statement of my experience and yourself and your town can continue to believe whatever you collectively choose - it has zero impact on what is actually happening and what the next generations will have to deal with as a result of a century of excessive fossil fuel consumption.

Re:We've already seen category 6 hurricanes – scientists wan... by groovimus on Friday February 09, 2024 @04:46PM (#39320904)
A new generation has come up since Al Gore's fictional movie from 2006, presumably starting production in 2005. I have seen zero evidence of the predicted calamitous events that would distiguish this day from those in 2005. however I have seen the evidence of widespread problems in children who are having nighmares of a future "planetary emergency" which never seems to arrive. If children with emotional problems are the preferred social outcome of this political science, then the science is a success
Re:We've already seen category 6 hurricanes – scientists wan... by deprecative on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @11:33PM (#39284520)
Given how vehemently wrong you are I can only imagine you don't understand what's being communicated and don't want to learn what's being communicated.
Re:We've already seen category 6 hurricanes – scientists wan... by Jabbles on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @04:06PM (#39280598)
Sea levels are rising primarily because the sea is warming, and water, like most substances, expands as it heats up.

Global warming does not affect every place on Earth evenly, that's partly why the phrase "climate change" is preferred. It's possible that you live in an area that due to the local or regional geography, the sea level has not changed much.