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Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by redskyluan on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:21AM (#39250378)
this is much cheaper than S3 glacier. Any explanation on how to keep data safe?
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by jqpabc123 on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:32AM (#39250464)
Any explanation on how to keep data safe?

Start by not using an unknown provider with questionable reliability or stability where the only contact is an email address.

Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by StopTheTechies on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:48AM (#39250577)
I think you're forgetting the cost parameter—obviously no provider can guarantee either reliability or stability
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by manuelabeledo on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:01AM (#39250679)
They can and they do - and if they fail, they cover damages.
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by fulafel on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:12AM (#39250770)
Is there a provider that would cover the customer's damages like interruption of business? There are some insurance companies at least that do similar things.
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by Fnoord on Sunday February 04, 2024 @02:28PM (#39253513)
A SLA would. I would just use multiple backups. One self-hosted on-premise and two off-site. Then the two off-site can have egress costs. Wouldn't matter. The self-hosted one would be the primary one to backup from. And it is going to be solid, usually. For example, a Synology NAS would suffice.
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by fulafel on Monday February 05, 2024 @12:37AM (#39257716)
I think nearly all SLAs just give you discounts on the service's bill.

Eg if your service vendor costs you 1000/month and they have a 10-day outage and you lose 10000000, they will credit you 1000 best-case, or maybe 1/3 of that (since it was up most of the month).

Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by logifail on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:13AM (#39250785)
> if they fail, they cover damages

Umm, most providers' standard T&Cs exclude liability for indirect or consequential loss following unavailability of their service.

Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by StopTheTechies on Sunday February 04, 2024 @01:44PM (#39253060)
I'm sorry, S3 insures your data in case of loss? How come they don't ask the value of what you're storing then?
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by jzombie on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:20AM (#39250845)
I'd rather pay a little more money to a reputable vendor, honestly. If I depend on the backup, I want a reasonable guarantee they will deliver on their promise.
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by axra on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:37AM (#39250497)
We keep 3 copies of your data - two on LTO drives (across two different locations) and one on enterprise grade hard drives.
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by jonatron on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:57AM (#39250649)
In different locations?
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by axra on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:58AM (#39250655)
Different data centers
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by jzombie on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:26AM (#39250916)
Where are the data centers located?
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by zebomon on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:08AM (#39250739)
That sounds like a no.
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by geor9e on Sunday February 04, 2024 @02:49PM (#39253681)
Well now I know it's fake. LTO drives might be a few bucks per TB but enterprise grade hard drives sure aren't.
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by ahofmann on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:50AM (#39250587)
How is this much cheaper? S3 glacier deep archive costs 0,00099 € per GB and month.
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by mackman on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:56AM (#39250642)
I have a fairly optimized backup to glacier strategy involving a couple of days of soak time in S3 before moving to glacier with lifecycle rules to avoid the 180 day min storage for transient files. Net I end up paying about $1.20 to $1.50 per TB per month. Restoration of my data set would cost around $100/TB though. So a straight $1/TB would be a nice savings on a good month, and a great savings if my house ever burns down and I need to restore.
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by dorfsmay on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:45AM (#39251121)
Backblaze is 6$/TB/month with no egress fee, and are a well established company with a good reputation:

https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-storage/pricing

I'm surprised the don't come up more in a discussion about backup storage.

Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by lakpan on Sunday February 04, 2024 @12:25PM (#39252254)
It doesn’t? From my experience it comes up every time S3 is mentioned, except maybe recently Cloudflare took the spotlight.
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by lelag on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:57AM (#39250653)
No egress fees make a huge cost difference if you ever need your archived data back.
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by gruez on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:56AM (#39250646)
That has retrieval fees as well as minimum storage times.
Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by AtlasBarfed on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:13AM (#39250790)
Did it ever get revealed how glacier works? I had heard they were using DVD-Rs back in the day, but that was a decade ago and a big price drop.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-cost-per-gigabyte/

I know the link is LTO based for some of it. Is LTO really cheaper than hard drives? Or is it just that LTO has automation equipment behind it?

It's interesting to me that hard drives have dropped 56% in cost since 2017, and yet I don't think storage prices have dropped anything like that. Per the article, it's because demand allows them to keep it high.

I welcome a price war! And thanks for the honesty Backblaze.

Re:Show HN: USD 0.99/TB/month cloud storage by everfrustrated on Sunday February 04, 2024 @12:15PM (#39252126)
I dont believe aws have ever said.

My long held suspicion is they designed the product slos/apis to allow for the underlying storage technology to change without customers being aware, hence its clearly inspired by tape access patterns.

Possibly some of the very largest aws regions use tape libraries.

But I suspect aws co-mingles the data with S3 and just wears the cost. They've been known to price below cost (eg lambda implementation before firecracker) to corner the market.