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Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by Frost1x on Saturday February 03, 2024 @04:57PM (#39245170)
>This is a huge problem. When fraud is rewarded over legitimate research we lose so many times.

I’d generalize this further and say we have an underlying economy and society that rewards fraud over what should be happening widespread. It’s happening everywhere and lying seems to be one of the best strategies to success. With competitive pressures increasing, it’s often even worth the risk. This may have always been the case but the population at large seems to be more cognizant of it and taking action on it. Politics, business, everywhere deceit is rampant. It may in some cases be “allowed” forms of lying or skirting around the truth but underlying behavior is the same here: avoiding the truth for one’s own self gain. There’s few if any establishments I trust anymore. I just assume everyone everywhere is lying for their own goals.

Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by georgeecollins on Saturday February 03, 2024 @05:10PM (#39245273)
>> There’s few if any establishments I trust anymore.

Sorry, but that's tin foil hat territory. Everyday I trust my bank to handle my money fairly, the gas station to give the right amount of gas, the labels on food and medicine to be accurate, the weather report, etc. etc. I am sure there are problems with virtually every institution that need to be addressed. But I am surrounded by reliable information and trusted actors.

Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by sethammons on Saturday February 03, 2024 @06:16PM (#39245766)
Society works on trust. That said, my bank/credit card company would not work with us when we were scammed with $10k of obviously fraudulent charges. Our next recourse will have to be legal action. There are reports of gas stations using more ethanol than labeled. I saw a tiktok last week on someone who brought in their own scale to walmart and the packaged meat was labeled at like 6 lbs but was actually under 5. My tax guy has fucked up 3yrs in a row so now I get to become a tax pro. The US govt owes me $40k and is dragging their feet sending me my money. The guy who repaired some external trim only used finish nails so it ripped out in the last wind storm. The company that installed my windows just ignored code and didn't install tempered glass where required so I had to fight them on that when someone pointed it out to me. I could go on and on.
Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by operatingthetan on Saturday February 03, 2024 @06:19PM (#39245785)
Yeah we need to inspect things carefully because we are getting scammed and lied to all the time. Olive oil being cut, fish being sold as the wrong species, supplements containing random other substances, there are a million examples in products in particular.
Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by georgeecollins on Sunday February 04, 2024 @05:59PM (#39255411)
Sure so I am going to inspect olive oil for myself?
Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by operatingthetan on Sunday February 04, 2024 @08:04PM (#39256181)
That's not within your skills?
Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by coolhand2120 on Monday February 05, 2024 @11:38AM (#39263140)
I'm no expert, but I do. There is a lot of rotten olive oil sold in the US because we don't seem to care so much. Smell and taste is the best indicator. I am really irritated that my Italian dressing only contains only rapeseed oil and not olive oil so it's something I've been looking into lately. Olive oil is apparently very volatile and rather complex.
Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by faizan-ali on Monday February 05, 2024 @12:57PM (#39264275)
Expert here!

You can totally inspect your olive oil yourself. First a primer: Extra virgin olive oil is the highest grade. This is unregulated and mostly nonexistent in most US grocery shelves.

Here's the criteria I recommend:

- Source. Most Italian olive oil is repackaged Tunisian, Turkish, Spanish olive oil. Which isn't a bad thing but consider why they're not consuming it themselves (Italy and Greece do not produce enough to meet domestic demand). You'll see this by abbrvs like Source: "TN SP TK" (Tunisia, Spain, Turkey). Look for single source oils. Consider Californian oil (if in the US). A country does not produce better olive oil than another, it's all up to individual producers. Some of the best oils I've had are from Australia, California, Chile

- Smell! Does it smell like wax/waxy crayons/Crayola? It's probably a bit rancid/old. Not necessarily bad for you but lacks the health benefits (it's not extra virgin at this point if it ever was). It should smell fruity/grassy/green. - Taste: It should be bitter, fresh, and tickle your throat (that's the antioxidants!). It shouldn't leave your mouth feeling greasy.

- Harvest date: Oil degrades quickly. If there isn't a harvest date, it's probably not great. Should be harvested within the last 2 years, ideally within 1 year.

Extra virgin has the maximum taste and health benefits. Most grocery store oils are simply olive oil - not the highest grade but still significantly better than seed/nut oils.

Source: I'm an olive oil somm

Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by operatingthetan on Monday February 05, 2024 @01:14PM (#39264559)
Are there reliable brands that I can buy that would make this easier?
Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by faizan-ali on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @01:49AM (#39271518)
See comment above. Your local olive oil store (if there is one) should have great options. If you're on the east coast, one of those local high-end "Italian" stores may have a knowledgable person who stocks good oils.

Online is always an option :) The Olive Truck Tuscan blend is a personal favorite: https://bestoliveoils.org/search

The owner is this awesome Turkish dude who drives around California in a mobile olive press and makes oil from olives on the spot!

Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by coolhand2120 on Monday February 05, 2024 @11:39PM (#39270857)
Wow! Thanks for all the info. I’m getting the EVO brand California Olive ranch right now. Is this any good? I’m interested in making my own Italian dressing. Any pointers?
Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by faizan-ali on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @01:46AM (#39271496)
California Olive Ranch oils are the only ones I've seen that are consistently decent across the US. I do occasionally see bottles from 2021, so be wary. 2022 is the latest year you should buy, most coastal cities/national Whole Food chains should be starting to stock 2023 now. This is the brand I direct my mother to buy so I have skin in the game :)

BUT BUT BUT make sure it's NOT the "global blend" - they got in a lot of trouble in California for trying to pass it as good oil. It's trash. Blends are usually made to maximize profit which minimizes the flavors and benefits of good oil. Look for their oil from California in the glass bottle.

If you're in California, the Bariani brand is affordable and awesome.

Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by doubloon on Saturday February 03, 2024 @11:42PM (#39247681)
i actually work at a financial institution and you should not trust your bank, you should review your statements and complain if you find errors. which you will.
Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by georgeecollins on Sunday February 04, 2024 @06:05PM (#39255459)
I work at a movie company and when we say "you'll laugh and you'll cry.." during a movie you absolutely will laugh and cry. I guarantee it.
Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by chiefalchemist on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:35AM (#39251011)
Yes and no. E.g., Banking. Yes, trust them for transactions. It's their bread & butter. But if 2007 / 2008 taught us anything it's that the financial sector can't be trusted beyond simple transactions.

Labels on food? For ingredients? Again, sure. But where is the label for "the taste of this product has been engineered to increase your consumption of it. Your health? Ha. Forget about it."

And so on.

You're trusting the sheeps' clothing and are all but ignoring the wolf that hides beneath it.

Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by dustingetz on Saturday February 03, 2024 @05:19PM (#39245345)
tragedy of the commons
Re:The scientists fighting the epidemic of fraudulent scienc... by gremlinunderway on Saturday February 03, 2024 @05:47PM (#39245556)
lol what "commons" even exists nowadays? Everything is privatized or driven by small cliques/inner circles. There's no commons to exploit.