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Re:Goodbye Non-Kiss Appliances by Arbortheus on Saturday February 03, 2024 @02:32AM (#39238239)
If you can afford it, get Miele or specifically the Bosch models that are made in Germany (many lower-end Bosch models are contracted out to e.g. Turkey, and not quite as good).
Re:Goodbye Non-Kiss Appliances by Freak_NL on Saturday February 03, 2024 @03:12AM (#39238435)
Be wary though. Miele started fucking up their value proposition too. Parts may no longer be sold by repairfolk not associated with Miele. That's usually the start of the slide down the quality and repairability scale.

See this message from an independent parts seller:

https://spares2repair.co.uk/search-results?main_page=advance...

> Miele have unfortunately changed their sales policy in UK and Europe.

> This applies to all online spare parts retailers including Miele directly.

> Most Genuine spare parts are now only to be available to repair engineers and not directly to the public.

> Unfortunately we have had to remove thousands of parts from your view.

> Hopefully Miele will change their sales policy again in the future.

Re:Goodbye Non-Kiss Appliances by gambiting on Saturday February 03, 2024 @02:36AM (#39238253)
Exactly - Miele, or Bosch Series 6 or 8 are usually made in Germany with longer warranty. And Siemens(which is just rebranded bosch nowadays, usually with even better finish and longer warranty).
Re:Goodbye Non-Kiss Appliances by ce4 on Saturday February 03, 2024 @03:04AM (#39238392)
The "Bosch Siemens Hausgeräte GmbH" was founded as a joint venture in 1967 already, the company has been producing both brands from the start.
Re:Goodbye Non-Kiss Appliances by signalToNose on Saturday February 03, 2024 @03:15AM (#39238451)
BSH is fully owned by Bosch since 2014
Re:Goodbye Non-Kiss Appliances by polskibus on Saturday February 03, 2024 @02:38AM (#39238261)
Siemens is same as Bosch, incl factories. But yeah look whether an appliance was made in EU or outside.
Re:Goodbye Non-Kiss Appliances by pcammeraat on Saturday February 03, 2024 @02:39AM (#39238270)
Second vote for Miele. They work for decades.
Re:Goodbye Non-Kiss Appliances by gingerlime on Saturday February 03, 2024 @07:38AM (#39239782)
Yes and no. First it should be a German Miele. But in general, new Mieles aren’t as good as old ones. Across the board. Washers, dryers, dishwashers. The only benefit they offer is energy efficiency (at least based on brochures). If I had to buy again, I would opt for second hand refurbished Miele/Bosch/Siemens with at least 10 years of age. Where I live there are lots of second hand shops that even offer warranty.

Our fridge however is Japanese Panasonic. Not a common choice in Europe but it’s been great so far. Zero maintenance. No frost. Has some minimal digital control but we don’t touch it. YMMV.