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Re:Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated ... by dang on Friday February 02, 2024 @06:44PM (#39236061)
Ok, I'm finally getting to this - sorry for taking so long! First let's find the actual HN submissions... here they are:

Ford's new 48-inch digital dashboard is a lot of Android for one car - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39089599 - Jan 2024 (78 comments)

Secret Plan Against Germany - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39092116 - Jan 2024 (5 comments)

Show HN: Vx.dev – GitHub-Powered AI for effortless development - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39091819 - Jan 2024 (34 comments)

Open Source Doesn't Require Providing Builds - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39094387 - Jan 2024 (68 comments)

Of those 4, the Ford one and the open-source builds one set off the flamewar detector (a.k.a. the overheated discussion detector); the Germany one was flagged; and the Show HN one got moderated down. Let's look at what happened in that order. (I'm checking these as I write this btw..)

The Ford one setting off the flamewar/overheated detector is easy to understand: hatred for modern car UIs is one of the most popular topics on HN these days and it always gets people going (me too! but never mind)...which no doubt is one reason why the media sites keep playing it. We wouldn't turn the penalty off in such a case. The discussion might not have been a flamewar but it was nearly entirely generic - for example the top comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39090622. Given how over-discussed this topic already is, this is IMO clearly a case of HN's software working as intended.

The open-source one setting off the flamewar/overheated detector is also unsurprising as this general topic is also highly discussed and also gets people going. In this case I could make a case for turning off the penalty, but in the end I would decide against it, because the article isn't very deep, the discussion is rather generic, HN has a surplus of this sort of topic and thread, and nothing here really clears the quality bar. But it's more of a borderline call; I can see how others could interpret it differently.

"Secret plan against Germany" was flagged by users. That's a political story with a baity title, so the default would be for it to get flagged. We sometimes turn flags off on such stories but I don't know that this one clears the bar. It's more current-events than deeply-interesting, the ideological material is inflammatory and nobody is going to approach it with curiosity. The thread was already showing clear signs of turning into a flamewar. Even then, we might still turn off the flags, but only if the story were intrinsically of great significance—the sort of thing it just wouldn't make sense not to discuss at all.

The Show HN, we moderated down because "star for free trial" is not a valid thing to do in a Show HN and certainly is something the community here would strongly oppose (see the top comment). Here's what I emailed the submitter: "We downweighted the post after getting complaints from users. 'Star repo for free trial' is way too much of a hard sales tactic for HN, and even more so for Show HN, which implies that users can try out the product (see https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html). Asking them to star your repo first may be an ok tactic in other communities, but in the HN context it comes across as manipulative and is not in your interest at all."

[editing - bear with me...]

Re:Stories removed from the Hacker News Front Page, updated ... by wolverine876 on Saturday February 03, 2024 @01:17PM (#39243110)
dang - thanks for taking the time to respond in detail. You really go above and beyond. I imagine this whole discussion landing like a concrete block on your plate (but hey, maybe you dig this part of the job).

I have/had no objection to the moderation on these posts. In fact, if I were monarch of HN and the Internet, I'd want an order of magnitude higher standard for the quality of posts, comments, and conduct. I want to spend my time and on the actual very best intellectual content and discussion possible - it would probably be mostly the very best books and papers from journals if I had my way. (Not that I think HN should serve my personal preference, I'm just demonstrating that I am far away from criticizing the moderation.)

My GP comment and my other one that you responded to [0] were trying to recenter at least part of the discusson on a factual basis, which I find much more interesting than the (completely unintersting) conspiracy theory aspect. That is, if we explore it factually, objectively, intelligently, how does it work? how does it work out? For example, I imagine there are some interesting emergent properties which would tell us about the HN population, emergent properties of algorithms, and the interaction between them.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39231055