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Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by jszymborski on Friday February 02, 2024 @03:33PM (#39233945)
But even in your family hypothetical, the overall inequality is still much less than between billionaires and the middle-class (nothing said of the truly destitute).

> Or worse still, the super-rich will realise that they can spend many times the wealth cap per year consumable/disposable items (so long as they stay under the cap, or get back there by year-end), and become more wasteful. "Might as well spend a few million on a private jet, if I don't, I'll hit the wealth cap!".

This is a very interesting point! I'd worry less about rich folks spending to be below the cap (that money re-enters the economy), but rather evasion by sending money back and forth between a small set. Clearly evasion would need to be monitored.

Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by FredPret on Friday February 02, 2024 @03:47PM (#39234118)
Ah yes, here come the arguments for "monitoring".

Next come regulations about having to "cooperate".

Then the question will be raised as to what happens to those rich people who don't cooperate, or middle class / poor people who, god forbid, don't agree with this plan for society. Pretty soon, you've got your jackboots and your re-education camps.

Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by jszymborski on Friday February 02, 2024 @03:51PM (#39234192)
I don't know how this is different from filing income taxes.

When you are convicted of committing tax fraud, you may get incarcerated in a prison. Most often, you pay a fine.

Call the prisons re-education camps or the tax people jackboots, if you like.

Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by NegativeK on Friday February 02, 2024 @04:36PM (#39234763)
You made quite a few significant leaps there.
Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by yellowapple on Friday February 02, 2024 @05:00PM (#39235045)
"The slippery slope is a fallacy!" quoth those actively greasing the slope.
Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by FredPret on Friday February 02, 2024 @05:11PM (#39235142)
So did the NKVD!

Started as regular police, ended up doing purges 13 crazy years later.

Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by r3d0c on Friday February 09, 2024 @07:47AM (#39314253)
lol, put the meth pipe down
Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by paulryanrogers on Friday February 02, 2024 @08:23PM (#39236736)
The US used to tax up to 90% or so at the highest brackets. Rich people survived.
Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by latency-guy2 on Saturday February 03, 2024 @12:30AM (#39237777)
The US also used to have no income tax. Lots of people survived then too.
Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by wolverine876 on Saturday February 03, 2024 @01:38AM (#39238065)
Many fewer, actually. People lived significantly shorter, harder lives; many more died young.
Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by FredPret on Saturday February 03, 2024 @10:25AM (#39241158)
Of course the economy was much smaller then, especially on a per capita basis, and modern capitalism hadn’t had time to create the safe, abundant, filled-with-medical-marvels lifestyle we enjoy today.
Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by wolverine876 on Saturday February 03, 2024 @12:53PM (#39242853)
> Of course the economy was much smaller then, especially on a per capita basis

Indeed, and even more on an aggregate basis, the population also being much smaller.

> modern capitalism hadn’t had time to create

You're assuming that was created by modern capitalism, which I think is a major flaw. Capitalism contributed certainly, but so did democracy, freedom, rule of law, government investment, civil society, etc. etc. Just look at most of the education system, courts, security, roads, most of science, soldiers, etc etc etc.

> abundant, filled-with-medical-marvels lifestyle we enjoy today.

A great many, maybe most people in the US don't live in that world.

Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by latency-guy2 on Saturday February 03, 2024 @12:19PM (#39242463)
Now that tax rates are lower again compared to the "90%" rates, is the same saying not true for today compared to that time period?

So, surely, you will agree the people who live the easiest and highest quality lives are people today, and lowering tax is actually fully indicative of increasing life expectancy and quality of life.

Be consistent.

Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by wolverine876 on Saturday February 03, 2024 @12:49PM (#39242810)
As we've cut taxes beginning in the 1980s, most people in the US have been living worse. Now life expectancy has been dropping, iirc home ownership, access to education, etc.

I don't mean there's a 100% direct correlation, but that investment is needed for returns. If we don't invest in healthcare, we'll have worse health. If we don't invest in education, etc.

Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by latency-guy2 on Saturday February 03, 2024 @08:07PM (#39246480)
> investment is needed for returns

What returns? A very important part of "investing" is ensuring your losing positions are cut early and cut fast, its not continuously putting money into a black hole hoping one day the worst of the worst magically becomes the best of the best.

The rest of your comment is you being quite inconsistent, and frankly, a position that is full of lies.

Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by FredPret on Friday February 02, 2024 @08:45PM (#39236842)
No it didn't - there were multitudes of loopholes. Nobody paid that much.

The real way to measure the size of the state is % of GDP. This includes shadow taxes such as printing-induced inflation and deficit spending.

And guess what? The size of the state skyrocketed from a historic baseline of 1-2% to 35% in recent decades. Every now and then there's a war or a crisis and spending pops up like crazy, but it always used to go back down. Not anymore.

The only time it's been higher than this year is in WW2 and during Covid.

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/exp@FPP/USA

Re:Limitarianism: The Case Against Extreme Wealth: Ingrid Ro... by vonjuice on Friday February 02, 2024 @08:48PM (#39236858)
I'm trying to parse if this is meant to be an argument against enforcing limits on wealth, and if so, point out the humor that we already reached the road of monitoring through having corporations have uncapped power.

An argument could be made that the big social media companies are also taking care of re-education, although through less overt means.