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Re:Prisoners in the US are part of a hidden workforce linked... by akira2501 on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @03:19AM (#39187586)
> They also say workers are learning skills that can be used when they’re released

It doesn't sound like this is a job training program where valuable skills are being taught in a learning environment. It doesn't sound like they care what the prisoners are likely to be able to do when released, as I don't think a 65 year old farm hand doing piece work for his retirement is going to reduce recidivism. Finally it's all in an environment where the prisoners are punished for not working, which is done nowhere outside of a prison, so what type of work _ethic_ are you actually building here.

This is a paper thin excuse to deprive prisoners of their civil rights.

Re:Prisoners in the US are part of a hidden workforce linked... by codexb on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @03:52AM (#39187822)
Hard manual labor has long been accepted as an appropriate punishment for crimes. Prisoners are deprived of rights... by due process... by a jury of their peers. That's intentional. It's a feature, not a bug.
Re:Prisoners in the US are part of a hidden workforce linked... by plasmatix on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @04:04AM (#39187887)
Allowing anyone to benefit from forced labor sounds like an invitation for corruption.
Re:Prisoners in the US are part of a hidden workforce linked... by red-iron-pine on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @10:19AM (#39191074)
compared to what, the rest of the economy or political establishment?

the difference is that the people getting screwed over were judged guilty of crimes by a jury of their peers or other due process.

Re:Prisoners in the US are part of a hidden workforce linked... by codexb on Wednesday January 31, 2024 @02:51PM (#39208452)
There is some truth to this statement. Historically, work detail for prisoners benefitted society as a whole -- litter cleanup, public works projects, license plate manufacturing, etc.
Re:Prisoners in the US are part of a hidden workforce linked... by Modified3019 on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @04:14AM (#39187936)
Outright slavery has been accepted for most of the history of humanity.

Appeals to tradition are probably not the way to go when deciding how we can be a better society.

Re:Prisoners in the US are part of a hidden workforce linked... by pinkmuffinere on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @04:55AM (#39188207)
I think the question is whether we continue to see that as a feature. It is recently popular to see prison as a rehabilitation rather than a punishment —- ie can we (safely) turn this life around instead of punish it. I’m not opposed to hard manual labor in principle, but it’s hard for me to believe it’s the best use of those lives.
Re:Prisoners in the US are part of a hidden workforce linked... by jacquesm on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @05:10AM (#39188297)
In some countries.
Re:Prisoners in the US are part of a hidden workforce linked... by probably_satan on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @05:13AM (#39188324)
Half of them are probably in there because of drug crimes, while CO unions lobby to keep drugs illegal so it doesn't keep food off their table.

The whole thing is sickening to me

Re:Prisoners in the US are part of a hidden workforce linked... by rsynnott on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @05:29AM (#39188460)
All sorts of things have been long accepted as an appropriate punishment for crimes, until people said "yeah, perhaps not".

Most developed democracies have banned forced prison labour; the US is a bit of an outlier here.

Re:Prisoners in the US are part of a hidden workforce linked... by lesuorac on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @07:45AM (#39189455)
> Prisoners are deprived of rights... by due process...

Nice sound bite; but not really true.

It's certainly true a process is followed but that process is pretty shitty.

Plenty of people get released after the murder weapon is actually tried for fingerprints and low-and-behold it was somebody else! How does a person go through trial with even the murder weapon being tested? It's not required by the process.

Plenty of people have been convicted because "their bite marks match". Is there actually some peer-reviewed standard of bite marks where if I gave you somebody's bite and a bite mark you could match them together at 90% accuracy? No. How are non-reproducible methods used to incarcerate people? The process doesn't require accuracy.

For more, John Oliver: Forensic Analysis [1]

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScmJvmzDcG0

Re:Prisoners in the US are part of a hidden workforce linked... by juliangmp on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @04:18AM (#39187966)
> This is a paper thin excuse to deprive prisoners of their civil rights.

If only... they don't even need an excuse, the 13th amendment has a literal exception for "punishment for crime" :)

Re:Prisoners in the US are part of a hidden workforce linked... by dopidopHN on Tuesday January 30, 2024 @03:23AM (#39187617)
Civil right? Well those prisoner should have thougt of 13 amendment first before committing a crime! ( sarcasm )