"At some point" is not the same as long term or chronic use. From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6517163/ :

> There is a distinction between lifetime ever-use of AASs and chronic use. Lifetime prevalence use includes a high percentage of short-term (even a single episode of) experimental use in teenagers and young men.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S10472...

My perception of most gym goers are ordinary folks who want to get healthy, not gymbros who want to build giant muscles. Of course, this is at a single gym so this is anecdotal.

So ignore the ones that don't workout at all. Now probably ignore the ones just going through the motions at the gym and clearly aren't trying to achieve real muscle growth.

It stands to reason that if you see someone fit and with decent muscles, they're part of the group that might have taken them.

If it's 4% of all males, makes me think it's close to 25% of males with good amounts of muscles. Of course it's skewed by basically 90% of people with massive amounts of muscles taking them. But massive muscles alone doesn't make up 4% of the population.

Even if you set survey methods aside, it has been well established that there are is a single digit percent of people that are simply survey obstructionists. They will say that the sky is red on a survey, because they dont care or are trolling

Reasonable guess, but hard to verify.

It appears for example that every youtuber who looks like they have decent amount of muscles are going to be hit with the accusation that they used steroids.

Most humans will trade almost anything for reproductive fitness. It's what they're selected for.

First, there is no way 4% of males use steroids. That is totally absurd.

Most professional athletes are on steroids yet they are not dropping dead at an early age.

What you really don't understand though is how insane the amount of substances a professional bodybuilder takes compared to some average guy at the gym. It is the difference between someone who has a glass of wine with their dinner and a raging alcoholic. That probably is not extreme enough actually.

So much of this board is people talking out their ass.

The commenter is just trying to point out that people are willing to risk themselves for a perceived short term or long term benefit. Professional athletes might be on steroids, which we may not 100% know if there are long term hidden impacts from doing so.

However people do it regardless.